If someone is my 2nd cousin 1x removed

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What are they to my father? This is a paternal match. Have posted on genealogy thread but seems there is 0 traffic. And I am desperate to find my father before it is too late. This is the closest match

If your cousin has a child, it would be your cousin once removed.

A cousin once removed means they're from the generation immediately above or below you. So your first cousin once removed would be your first cousin's child or your parent's first cousin. Your second cousin once removed is

So to your dad, your dad would be a great uncle

They are your father’s second cousin. So they will each have a grandparent who are siblings

Second cousin. The removal is the generational shift. If this person had offspring, the offspring would be your third cousin.

Thank you. Ancestry states this person to be my 2nd cousin once removed on the browser however on the app they are my third cousin so if this is my third cousin what are they to my father. Its hard to get my head round 🤯

They are the grandchild of your fathers 1st cousin.
So one of your fathers parents was a sibling of their great grandparents.

my fathers parents being a sibling of their great grandparents wouldn’t make sense as they are around the same age bracket?

The 'removal' is when you're off a different generation.

It's helpful to draw it out on a family tree, it makes more sense!

There's a tea towel that explains this

https://www.presentindicative.com/products/cousin-explainer-teatowel

Either the grandchild of your Dad's cousin, your dad's grand-dad (your great grand-dad) would be their great-great grand-dad or the other way round (your GG GD was their GGD).

I think.

It’s difficult to draw a family tree on my side as I do not know my father (nor his name) or any information about his family. I do however have this 2nd cousin once removed family tree from ancestry and we have concluded together it is via her paternal side due to common city links and her maternal side being Australian

Ancestry sent me match 2nd cousin once removed. However when I got in contact it turned they were my father's first cousin.

I found my father through the cousin but he doesn't want to meet me sadly.

This is my understanding of what you are saying. In our family tree people often got married older and in my cousins they married younger so different generations are the same age.

Ancestry makes a guestimation of the relationship based on the amount of DNA you share (cM value). If it has more data about age it will factor this in.

But it CAN NOT say definitively that it's a second or third cousin because there is overlap between the amount of DNA you share for various different relationships.

So it's not as simple as just saying they are a second or third cousin. There are other possibilities too. Especially if you add in potential half cousins.

The more closely you are related (and the more DNA you share) the less number of possibilities there are

It gets very complicated very quickly!

See here for a better explanation. The chart is very useful for show the possible range of cM values for different relationships:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/centimorgan-chart-understanding-dna

Thanks for this I think I should be lower at the bottom with the second cousin 1x removed then my father and go up from there if that makes sense?

Sorry to hear that. I’m aware of this. My mother had a once night stand and then had an accident which put her into a coma and this is when the pregnancy was discovered. From this accident she suffered some brain damage and memory is very bad. So my father doesn’t even know about me or that he has 2 grandchildren. I am 26 and it’s really upsetting for me. I’m not so set on the relationship but just knowing where I come from would be enough x

Either your father’s second cousin or first cousin twice removed. You can’t know which on that description alone.

Thanks I’m going to look into this. Do you think it’s still possible I could find my father from this? Myself and the cousin have another match however the new match is a 4th cousin for me however closer to her. The new match has a humongous tree with lots of extended family and the side closer to my cousins shows her grandparents having 9 siblings. I have been looking at it all day so my brain is tired and muddled but I can share more tomorrow after a break if you are open to helping/know what you’re doing. Thank you

You best bet in this scenario is to try and trace your matches family back to Great grandparents and then try and trace every possible descendant. It's doable if you are lucky but its time consuming.

You should be able to work out who are the most likely people.

I say this with caution as it's possible that you may have to go back to Great Great grandparents just to make sure that he's in there because of the cM issue.

The cM between myself and cousin is 141 cM

Brilliant!

Just as a bit of added help since you can’t ask your father which way round it is.

Either:

Your father (Dave) has a full cousin (Jack). Dave and Jack are first cousins.

Dave has a child (you). Jack has a child (Marshall). You and Marshall are second cousins. Dave and Marshall are first cousins once removed.

Marshall has a child (Simon). You and Simon are second cousins once removed. Dave and Simon are first cousins twice removed. Simon is your father’ full cousin’s grandson, and therefore likely to be considerably younger than him.

OR

Your grandfather (Wilfred) has a full cousin (Sid). Wilfred and Sid are full cousins (first cousins).

Wilfred has a son, Dave (your dad), and Sid has a son, Jack. Dave and Jack are second cousins and likely to be around the same age (not guaranteed though).

Dave has you. You and Jack are second cousins once removed.

Hope this helps but can answer any questions if it’s not clear.

When I look at matching people into my family tree, I just don't bother with looking at 4th cousins to try and triangulate a connection. By the time you are at 4th cousin you are going so far back you are starting to look for a needle in a haystack and you are right on the edge of the records.

If you have identified which side of your 2nd cousins family he is related to, that should be enough to work with though.

Looking at that other match really isn't going to add a lot to your knowledge tbh.

Make your life easier and just stick to your closest match and work out their family tree and then work down from the most likely point you connect. (Great grandparents).

I think you'll probably need another close match at some point to narrow it down further, but Christmas is around the corner so that might pop up.

In the meantime, work on that tree. It will keep you busy for a good while!

I’d be really grateful if anyone who knows what they’re doing would like to help, please private message me and I can send you the cousins family tree, and another tree that may show more extended family. It would really be appreciated

For context I was born 1998. 2nd cousin 1x removed 1973. My mum was 1976 and mums friend said dad was similar age to mum