Should we have some nationalised farms

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Thie inheritance tax debate has thrown up fears that big corporations are going to buy up all the small farms and generational knowledge will be lost. I assume people fear this increases prices?

With climate change food security is meant to be a big issue

So should we be having a national trust equivalent for farms. A lot of the big houses went to the national trust as owners couldn't pay inheritance tax or run them anymore

I'm not suggesting forcing purchases of all farms! Just when they come up for sale, the state buying them or a trust.

Or can we regulate big corporations that buy farms to secure our food supply/prices.

We have some. Agriculture | The Crown Estate

There are lots of tenanted council-owned farms.

Do we need more though. Is this an actual strategy linked to, or just a sort of accident. Should the crown estate get bigger for instance

The government (past and present) couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. I worked for an electricity company before it was privatised (and after) and it was so inefficient, look at how inefficient the NHS is etc (close relative works for a hospital trust having worked in private industry and is shocked how inefficient it is, the same with friends of mine). Of the current cabinet, very few have worked in private industry and lack experience in how to run a company. Why on earth would we trust the government to run farms?

Exactly.
Incredibly sinister to suggest we do this, see every fascist/communist dictator. Government controlling food production, no thanks!

National trust is one of the biggest owner of farm land, so it already happened

I was more thinking along the lines of a national trust.

But yes I can see the government of the day controlling food isdangerous.

I just keep thinking how shit thames water is though and how people keep saying to renationalise water. so I'm not sure companies and shareholders lead to good services either.

That's really interesting, thank you. Do they make any meaningful contributiin to food supply or is it heritage sheep type of thing.

If you’re going to make a suggestion about nationals farming - perhaps do some research on the subject yourself.

use google and search national trust and farming

We should make the inheritance tax payable on sale of the farm by the heirs. So if they keep it and farm it, fine; no tax to pay, ever. If they sell it, pay tax on the whole capital gain since their ancestor first bought it. And if their ancestor bought it for 2p back in Henry viii time fine, tax on that. That would split out the people who are farmers and aren't.

Here are some quick google searches

https://www.ts-p.co.uk/insights/tenant-farmers-and-the-rock-review/

this gives you figures on tenant farmers, those that don’t own the land they farm

I wanted a discussion rather than to develop my own thesis/research study but thank you.

But I assume the national trust being the largest landowner isn't the same as it all being farm land. A lot of it is beaches.

But perhaps the fears of black rock buying all the farms are unfounded then and tge inheritance tax thing isn't a threat to food security at all.

There seems to be a concerted attack on family farming across the whole globe in recent years. Demonstrations in India, Brazil, many European countries and elsewhere. All with the same slogan "No farmers, No food, No future'. It's downright sinister. What is driving this attack? The WEF? Do they want us all to eat bugs? Actually they do. It's in their literature, they want the entire world to change it's diet so we can each met zero. Just let the family farmers farm. It ensures food security and it is always better if people are allowed to own money and property and pass it down to their descendants. If the government or big corporations own everything it makes us all more vulnerable as it gives them too much power. Taxation ensures that there is a fair distribution of wealth and enough to pay for services. 40% on higher earners (who also don't get benefits) is a fair whack, with more and more people having to pay that. They are raising more and more in taxation and it should be enough if spent wisely and not wasted on stupid vanity projects or creamed off by private companies, they don't need to attack the farmers.

Hmm because collectivisation and state control of farmland didn't work out too well in Soviet Union in the 1930s.

I fear that the Labour government is already becoming too Stalinist so I can see how many in the Labour Party would support it.

Farming almost is nationalized anyway. It is heavily propped up with subsidies almost everywhere - rare for farming to be left to the free market.

All farms should be Nationalised, so they are run in a productive and economical manner

If the government had the land they would empty napalm all over it and then argue it was a miscommunication with a contractor

Northern RaiL is under govt control and still just as crap as when run privately. No sign of any tangible improvement. We really don’t want incompetent politicians and civil servants in charge of our food supply. Look at the cock up they have made of the nhs!

Because govt want to control what they do and when they do it.

Is that you, comrade Starmer?

Hell no to communism! I think this government has proven it cannot be trusted with the countryside. Our minister for rural affairs is the MP for Streatham FFS!

We kind of did this in the war. My neighbouring farmer (who has only just died) had his family farm taken off him during the war because they weren’t farming it productively. They gave it back pretty soon after when they realised the work involved!!!

The last comment is a joke but on a semi serious note I really can’t imagine public sector workers putting up with the employment conditions current on farms.

What do you envisage that looking like exactly?

How do you feel it's currently being run unproductively or uneconomically?

Farming, food production and water supply need to be secured and developed as a matter of priority in light of a changing climate. I've banged on about this for years: the impact of current climatic changes look set to greatly alter conditions for global food production as well as the logistics of import and transportation. PwC, Deloitte, EY and KPMG all forecast great challenges in this area in the coming decades and are acting accordingly to protect their interests and the interests of their clients. So should we as a nation state.

Well, it worked well for the USSR and China after their revolutions. It's going well in North Korea too apparently.

If you've ever worked in farming, you'd know that it's already extremely efficient. Everything is designed to maximise output. It is the outside variables that farmers have no control over that are problematic - climate, supermarkets / food industry, legislation changes / inputs etc.