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Friend group argument

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TaupePanda · 20/11/2024 15:06

I am unsure what to do here, as there is always two sides and I can't say I am perfect. So I am sure I'll get some serious roasting here but....

I was the first person in what was a pretty tight group to have kids. They are now almost 6 and 3.5 years old.

The group is pretty hard partying - not the country walks and pub kind. Festivals, raves etc... I obviously knew that but when pregnant I assumed my friends are my friends and we'd remain so.

Only one other person has gone on to have a kid in the group, so it is still a pretty family unfriendly bunch. After trying pretty hard during my first maternity to do more things like lunches etc... to accommodate my new situation, we (husband and I) accepted the situation. Things changed for us and we've moved with that. Our eldest has development challenges, so we frankly had other things to worry about.

Despite this, I have remained in the group. I didn't want to be the person who dropped non-parent friends and I do in fact like the women - we've been bridesmaids for each other etc. I am clearly on the periphery though and can't always be around / go to events / participate.

Anyway, the group is starting to slow down as we're reaching 40 / some are well into their 40's. There are quiet dinners and stuff.

This is a lot of context to an argument that has been sparked today. We discussed having an Xmas lunch, agreed a date and it got to the point of whether it would just be the girls or are the families invited. The other mother in the group said she'd like it is it were all of us though she would equally love to have some non-mummy time. I said, it would be great to have a lunch and then maybe later in the afternoon the guys could leave and we could have a few girls-only cocktails - a best of both worlds.

Someone stepped in and said that was mean, and her boyfriend might be upset to not be included in the whole thing. That to suggest forcing him away is selfish.

I fired back that my husband (and I) have been excluded from lots of events since having kids and that the one time we can fully participate is a lunch. It was definitely reactionary but FFS, your 42 year old boyfriend would be upset that you were ending the afternoon with some female friends and he had to go off and do his own thing.

It has escalated and now I am being accused of acting like having children makes me more important than those without kids.

I am sensitive to the fact that there may be things going on behind the scenes which has made her upset. But, I don't think I should just bow out and apologise. I think it is selfish of her to expect to exclude my family for the sake of her boyfriend.

I think I harbour some resentment about the way I have been treated - I was always praised for being so low maintenance and have tried to keep that going, I suppose. I accept that we might be in this situation because I haven't said anything before and can't really start throwing my toys out of the pram. But, nothing changes unless you say something.

IDK tbh. My youngest has an ear infection and hasn't slept well for 3 days (which means I also haven't slept) so I can barely type let alone make a good decision. So, someone else tell me what I should do next.

OP posts:
NigelHarmansNewWife · 20/11/2024 15:38

You escalated things. If you want to resolve it, you'll need to explain and back down. Maybe have a separate girl's event between Christmas and New Year if you can't find another date?

Or have it out with everyone and accept you'll probably lose friends.

SmalllChange · 20/11/2024 15:46

I don't know why a group of friends can't just meet up as a group of friends.

No need for children or partners/husbands.

MrRobinsonsQuango · 20/11/2024 15:50

SmalllChange · 20/11/2024 15:46

I don't know why a group of friends can't just meet up as a group of friends.

No need for children or partners/husbands.

This. Surely that makes it easier all round? I find it odd her boyfriend being “upset” about girls only cocktails afterwards. I think you did overreact though; things change when you have children and you can’t do all the things you used to. It’s a lifestyle change for you -not your friends.

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MiraculousLadybug · 20/11/2024 15:51

These people are not your friends anymore. Can you arrange something with the other woman with a child as a Christmas get-together? I'd quite frankly ditch the rest of them. Especially boyfriend woman who sounds really childish and is clearly dating a manbaby.

boulevardofbrokendreamss · 20/11/2024 15:53

@SmalllChange has it there.

Mary46 · 20/11/2024 15:57

Yes friendships change once you have kids. Dont think partners need to be there. Op maybe you outgrew these friends?

ZaZathecat · 20/11/2024 15:59

It sounds like you overreacted a bit. I can see why it might seem odd to tell your partner "off you go now" after lunch. I think either with or without family/partners is best, not a compromise

Workiskilligme · 20/11/2024 16:01

I think a girls only meal, and then partners join afterwards. I can see what she means- I'd hate to be out having a nice time and then be told to leave, so I do understand what she's saying about her boyfriend.

SarahLHs · 20/11/2024 16:06

I would be fine with my husband meeting up with his friends for lunch without me. I would think it was strange to be invited to lunch and then told to go home so he could carry on drinking with his friends without me. I think your friend was right, involve partners/kids in all of it or none of it.

recipientofraspberries · 20/11/2024 16:14

I think it's a case of simmering tensions being brought up, on a hair trigger. Because it's all been unspoken for several years.

I don't think you needed to "fire back"; that is what escalated it imo. It was also an overreaction of your friend to say your suggestion was selfish, though. So like you say - multiple sides, and in my opinion, all contributing to this argument, as opposed to one side being "innocent".

I completely get what you mean though about feeling like you've made loads of effort over the years to not rock the boat and still fit in with everyone else despite your new family. Sometimes I do find it depressing how it can feel like people are expected to act like they don't have children, in order to not change or effect the lives of their friends who don't.

mrsm43s · 20/11/2024 16:18

Sorry, I think you're in the wrong.

Sensible options are

  1. Original girl group only
  2. All adults (so partners but not children)
  3. Everyone welcome, including children.

Of course you can't invite someone, and then tell them to get lost half way through the afternoon.

You haven't "been excluded" since you had a child. It was your choice to have a child, and presumably you have still been invited to events and meet ups. If you choose not to go, or no longer want to go because of lifestyle changes you chose, then that's totally on you, not them. You surely don't expect the whole group to change what they do to accommodate your choices? That's breathtakingly entitled.

SunshineAndFizz · 20/11/2024 16:22

ZaZathecat · 20/11/2024 15:59

It sounds like you overreacted a bit. I can see why it might seem odd to tell your partner "off you go now" after lunch. I think either with or without family/partners is best, not a compromise

Agree with this. I think your past resentment has made you quick to respond angrily.

I'd probably de-escalate by saying let's have a girls only day/night.

AConcernedCitizen · 20/11/2024 16:29

Sound like you overreacted a little.

Also, having lunch then asking people to leave seems like a weird way to do things. Would all the partners leave together? Do they get on or even know each other?

Surely a more sensible way would be having a 'girls only' lunch, then partners/families joining for drinks afterwards?

recipientofraspberries · 20/11/2024 16:36

AConcernedCitizen · 20/11/2024 16:29

Sound like you overreacted a little.

Also, having lunch then asking people to leave seems like a weird way to do things. Would all the partners leave together? Do they get on or even know each other?

Surely a more sensible way would be having a 'girls only' lunch, then partners/families joining for drinks afterwards?

I agree with this, actually. At a certain time is someone going to have to announce "right, time for the males to leave"? 😄I also think this would work better the other way round, original group of gals meeting beforehand then being joined by partners later.

holdmecloseyoungtonydanza · 20/11/2024 16:40

SmalllChange · 20/11/2024 15:46

I don't know why a group of friends can't just meet up as a group of friends.

No need for children or partners/husbands.

This.

username358 · 20/11/2024 16:49

Storm in a tea cup. Just arrange a Christmas do where it's just friends, no partners.

CheeseNBeans · 20/11/2024 16:50

I agree with some of the other comments saying you escalated the situation with your response. It seemed kind of randomly passive aggressive, although I do get your frustration in regards to being left out.
I just find it sad that this kind of stuff happens just because people have kids. They should remain your friends regardless and if anything should try to work around everybody's circumstances to keep the friendship going.
I would personally try and resolve the tension and maybe suggest a real chat about everything. Maybe if you talk about how you feel, they'll understand.

Differentstarts · 20/11/2024 17:16

To me you either want everyone there or you don't. Inviting people and saying they have to leave by a certain time isn't OK. I would do either girls only or partners and kids but they stay for the duration

OatFlatWhiteForMePlease · 20/11/2024 17:20

Either all meet alone or bring husbands/boyfriends but anyone invited surely gets to stay as long as the event.

Quitelikeit · 20/11/2024 17:21

This is ridiculous. If you are meeting at lunch and want to bring partners then that is fine but it’s silly asking the men to all leave

If the ones with kids want to leave then let them crack on - also let the other men stay though -

Livelaughlurgy · 20/11/2024 17:26

I'm in a friendship group where the majority of us have kids and we still don't do kid friendly meet ups. There's always going to be someone's circumstances that aren't catered to.

I also think the men leaving after lunch is weird, the only reason you'd do this is if they're bringing the kids home or they're going to the library for brandy and cigars.

Id say she said "oh Steve wouldn't love that" as a softer way of saying that's a mental idea.

SirChenjins · 20/11/2024 17:27

I agree that a girls lunch followed by drinks with partners later would be better - would the group go with that instead, do you think? The ideal option would be no partners for the whole day, but a compromise sounds best.

It's difficult to keep quite when there's a lot of simmering resentment going back years though - although it is difficult when you have children and others in the group don't. Life naturally takes you in different directions and friendships don't always survive that. I hope you can get it resolved.

FierceQuiet · 20/11/2024 17:29

I agree with pps that your long-unexpressed resentment about how hard you've tried to keep in the group despite having children made you over-react and escalate a completely ordinary situation. Though actually, if the group is in fact an all-female group of friends the suggestion that 'families' attend this lunch is a bit weird, if by 'families' is meant 'boyfriends or husbands' for everyone except you and one other person. If the other woman with children also said she would like some time away from her kids, why not revert to that idea? Apologise for escalating, say your head was wrecked from your child being ill and you getting no sleep, and suggest a women-only lunch, with no partners or children.

HeddaGarbled · 20/11/2024 17:29

Yes, I agree with PPs. Friends only event is fine but including families/partners but then sending them away part way through isn’t great.

I understand that you were aiming for a compromise, which was fine to suggest.

Your friend said why she didn’t think that was a good idea, which is also fine for her to say, but then you made it into a big falling out by having a moan about what looks like years of stored up resentment.

I expect they’re all a bit gobsmacked.

Gazelda · 20/11/2024 17:36

Ouch. What a shame this happened over text.

I think you were unfair to bring up years of resentment. Your feelings may be valid, but they may feel that it's always been your choice to dip out of events, rather than organising childcare or whatever. Neither view is right or wrong. But your message implies you think they've been inconsiderate of you all these years.

Why don't you send a message to apologise for your outburst and blame sleep deprivation due to DC's ear infection. Say you often miss not being able to join in the hard partying activities but appreciate you may have over reacted today.

Could you suggest a women's only brunch followed by a meet up with boyfriends, kids, husbands etc to go ice skating or whatever? That way the boyfriends and kids can have a sleep in, or go to swimming class, or go to buy mummy's Christmas present, or watch the football or wash the car etc.