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Can anyone who uses the word *Woke* ...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 01:44

...tell me what it means to them? Because I haven't a clue.

I've seen it to mean feminism and men's right activists.. Anti-racism, anti free speech, people with colourful hair, climate scientists, parenting styles, breastfeeding, people who like the BBC vaccines and more. Surely it can't mean all of these things?

If you use woke in a non ironic way, what do you mean by it?

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ExitThroughTheGiftShop · 17/11/2024 01:48

'socially aware' is the phrase I'd use.

SadSandwich · 17/11/2024 01:49

Goad post - it’s called google

username358 · 17/11/2024 01:51

It originally started as an American term to mean awake to racism and issues relating specifically to the black American experience - Stay woke. It then developed into a term that encompassed a broader awareness of social inequality.

It's now used as a pejorative term to refer to identity politics.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 01:55

ExitThroughTheGiftShop · 17/11/2024 01:48

'socially aware' is the phrase I'd use.

Sounds like you are using it in its original sense. According to most of those who use it on Mumsnet, it has changed to mean something else. Something negative.

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ExitThroughTheGiftShop · 17/11/2024 02:02

I just ask people if they mean 'socially aware' if they use the word woke. Their response tells me how they will treat the rest of the conversation.

DaphneFlower · 17/11/2024 02:06
Can anyone who uses the word *Woke* ...
MissTrip82 · 17/11/2024 02:08

Have never heard anyone use it who wasn’t a card-carrying arsehole.

It’s a massive red flag that the person using it a racist sexist homophobe.

OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 02:13

(1) Identity politics which is aligned with the particular social consensus of "virtue" positions which peaked in popularity in 2020 (including but not limited to BLM, trans rights, disability justice etc) - often characterised by setting up "marginalised" and "oppressor" groups along various axes

(2) Strong social enforcement of these norms and active, coordinated pushback against people who express disagreement with them ("cancel culture")

(3) Embedding of these norms into institutions, laws, employer HR guidebooks etc, to the point that they are weaponised against the "oppressor" groups beyond the point of common sense

Of your list, I would agree with most but MRAs shouldn't be there and I wouldn't include breastfeeding either unless it was something niche.

Alphaalga · 17/11/2024 02:18

It means division.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 02:23

OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 02:13

(1) Identity politics which is aligned with the particular social consensus of "virtue" positions which peaked in popularity in 2020 (including but not limited to BLM, trans rights, disability justice etc) - often characterised by setting up "marginalised" and "oppressor" groups along various axes

(2) Strong social enforcement of these norms and active, coordinated pushback against people who express disagreement with them ("cancel culture")

(3) Embedding of these norms into institutions, laws, employer HR guidebooks etc, to the point that they are weaponised against the "oppressor" groups beyond the point of common sense

Of your list, I would agree with most but MRAs shouldn't be there and I wouldn't include breastfeeding either unless it was something niche.

What do you mean you would agree with most? What do you mean when you use "woke" @OneAmberFinch?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 02:40

Feel free to use my list and add other stuff of your own.

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OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 02:44

I mean that I agree that those items on your list are "woke" (except MRAs and breastfeeding, and I assume you mean "gentle parenting" for parenting styles).

Furthermore I believe that every wide-eyed person on this thread would give the same classification as I did.

OriginalUsername2 · 17/11/2024 02:49

Currently it’s used to describe things that are purposely checking boxes to appease minorities and/or the trans movement. For example, Hollywood film makers are said to have “gone woke”.

DesertGecko · 17/11/2024 03:19

It means ‘lefty nonsense’.

I’ve seen a poster call vaccines woke, so lefty nonsense does cover a wide berth 🥴

Happyinarcon · 17/11/2024 03:25

From what I can gather it went through a complete change of meaning as the political landscape changed. It used to refer to people largely on the right who had started to grow critical of progressive social engineering and identity politics etc in that they had ‘woken up’ to what they felt was government deception. They then moved to calling themselves Red Pilled from the matrix movie.
The term Woke then became mainstream and somehow got adopted by the left who I don’t think understood what it meant but felt it had positive associations meaning something like enlightened. That unfortunately backfired for them, so now its used ironically to mean any supposed clueless misguided left wing agenda.
This is just vaguely what i remember, but it explains how the term has been used by the left and right at different times and can be confusing

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 12:45

DaphneFlower · 17/11/2024 02:06

It does seem very much like that.

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Mylifeisamesssuchamess · 17/11/2024 12:51

It's a condescending and pathetic term to ridicule people who are politically correct.

OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 13:41

I'm not someone who goes around calling random things woke.

But I don't pretend I don't immediately know what is meant by the term, and it's a bit boring when people pretend they have no idea.

There's a set of beliefs which everyone knows are part of the same social movement which has embedded itself into countless institutions, but we're not meant to name it? We're just meant to call it "basic decency" and pretend that the average person 30 years ago would hold all these beliefs?

Freddie de Boer is often annoying but he was bang on the money with

Please Just Fucking Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand

you don't get to insist that no one talks about your political project and it's weak and pathetic that you think you do

https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/please-just-fucking-tell-me-what

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 15:07

Happyinarcon · 17/11/2024 03:25

From what I can gather it went through a complete change of meaning as the political landscape changed. It used to refer to people largely on the right who had started to grow critical of progressive social engineering and identity politics etc in that they had ‘woken up’ to what they felt was government deception. They then moved to calling themselves Red Pilled from the matrix movie.
The term Woke then became mainstream and somehow got adopted by the left who I don’t think understood what it meant but felt it had positive associations meaning something like enlightened. That unfortunately backfired for them, so now its used ironically to mean any supposed clueless misguided left wing agenda.
This is just vaguely what i remember, but it explains how the term has been used by the left and right at different times and can be confusing

I have never heard that explanation before. I thought it was originally AAV.Confused

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TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 15:42

OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 13:41

I'm not someone who goes around calling random things woke.

But I don't pretend I don't immediately know what is meant by the term, and it's a bit boring when people pretend they have no idea.

There's a set of beliefs which everyone knows are part of the same social movement which has embedded itself into countless institutions, but we're not meant to name it? We're just meant to call it "basic decency" and pretend that the average person 30 years ago would hold all these beliefs?

Freddie de Boer is often annoying but he was bang on the money with

If you look at my list you will see things that are pretty much opposites. For example Feminism, is it woke? Do you see GC feminists,women's rights campaigners and TRAs as part of the same social movement?

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username358 · 17/11/2024 15:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2024 15:42

If you look at my list you will see things that are pretty much opposites. For example Feminism, is it woke? Do you see GC feminists,women's rights campaigners and TRAs as part of the same social movement?

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting out of the thread. Right wingers tend to apply the term 'woke' to anything they don't like. There's no particular rhyme or reason.

It's another way of saying political correctness gone maaaad!

OliviaRodrighost · 17/11/2024 16:00

It used to be called “right on”. Or “political correctness gone mad”. AKA the oppressed lot are getting a big too big for their boots wanting to be liberated from their oppressors so we should mock them for being “too progressive”.

Mebebecat · 17/11/2024 16:14

Socially aware means what woke used to mean. The only time woke is used now is as shorthand for lack of resilience combined with wanky virtual signalling. It has become complete dog whistle.

MajorCarolDanvers · 17/11/2024 16:16

todays way of saying ‘political correctness gone mad’

OneAmberFinch · 17/11/2024 16:51

Do you think feminism isn't woke?

Are there no aspects of popular feminism that you think would annoy your typical anti-woke pub patron?

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