"Don't wear a seat belt"?

[NPET]

"Adverts" (notices) are appearing around town here saying "Women are over 3 times more likely to be killed by their partner than by not wearing a seat belt".
True and vg that they are raising the subject, but is this the best way of doing it?
Yes, OK, it's made me think (like I hope it will make men think), but there must be better ways.

There's also one that says women are more likely to be killed by their partner than to die in a house fire. I don't think that is an instruction to set your house on fire.

I think we both know that you're being unnecessarily picky and that the purpose of the adverts is to draw attention to the horrific rates of domestic homicide

It's just daft. Talk about lies, damn lies and statistics. I have made up this fact out of head for comedy purposes but it may well be correct:

You are more likely to die from choking on a Fox's glacier mint than to die from being mauled by a polar bear.

It's comparing apples to oranges.

Yes the purpose of the ad. But I don't think I'm being "unnecessarily picky". I think there are better ways of getting the message across.

It seems an odd comparison to me because we have no idea how many women don't wear a seat belt (it's been the law for decades so I'd have actually thought the numbers were very low) and of those, we have no idea how many actually are killed - I'd have imagined a tiny amount.
Better to give proper statistics then meaningless comparisons IMO. I mean 'On average, a woman is killed by a partner in the UK every four days.' is much more hard hitting surely?

The message isn't 'don't wear a seatbelt' so your thread title is disingenuous. Only the spectacularly thick would think 'oh ok, so if I don't wear a seatbelt I'm less likely to be killed by my partner'.

How about a list of the statistics of successful domestic violence convictions, minimum and maximum sentences for various violent crimes or something rather more perpetrator focused than some factoid about ways women get killed?

It's not directing itself at what counts to the offender which is always what will happen to me?

I think if women stopped wearing seatbelts, then the proportion of women killed for not wearing a seatbelt would become higher than those killed by their partner. Its sort of like when people say men have more risk of being murdered than women so women shouldn't be afraid to walk down dark alleys at night. Its because women take more preventative measures than men (because they are at more risk of sexual assault and opportunistic attacks etc) and those preventative measures work. The difference being, of course, that it is reasonable/fair to have to take preventative measures like wearing a seatbelt. It is less fair that many women are avoiding running at night etc to avoid male violence. And it is neither fair or practical for women to avoid being murdered by their partner by not having partners - which is the only individual preventative measure that would 100% work.
So it works as a way of making people stop and think about the issue. But its apples and oranges.

What a bizarre and meaningless comparison. As pp's have said, the stats just don't add up - just say what they mean and don't conflate it with figures that have nothing to do with DV.

But people say that women should leave abusive partners - the implied choice is the same as choosing not to wear a seatbelt. So it's a more relevant comparison than it should be.

Most pregnant/new mothers die because they are murdered by their partners, not because of being pregnant or giving birth.

Statistics are weird.

What are those better ways @NPET ?

I don't think that would work. It would probably show the LACK of successful convictions and make men think they could get away with it!
No - better might be photos of what men have done to (attractive) women - that might not only stir men to realise what they are capable of but stir more women to riot against them.

They skewed the statistics well enough with their seatbelt malarkey, they could skew them again to make it look like they were getting tough on DV.
I don't think the women's faces approach works either, as we're all pretty familiar with those campaigns.
I've no idea really apart from something that focuses on the negative affects on the people that do it as they only ever really care about themselves.

Yes what are your ideas that are better op? Anything to get people talking about it on Mumsnet?

Hmm, yes it’s not exactly catchy is it. Does it mean if you don’t wear a seatbelt you have a 1 in whatever chance of dying, or does it mean most people wear seatbelts so they protect themselves? I think comparing it to just being killed in a car crash might have worked better (I don’t know how the figures compare).

Also, there’s a thing in the 5g/contrails parts of the internet about not wearing seatbelts because you’re more likely to be hurt by wearing one. So I would have avoided this comparison out of concern of fuelling that batshit theory.

The point is that putting a seatbelt on is second nature, you do it without thinking and are "saving your life" each time.

But leaving an abusive relationship which is more likely to result in your death, is much much harder to do.

I've only seen the fire one, this might be clumsily worded but maybe it's on purpose, to make those of us lucky enough to have never been in this position think about it.

I think the reason seat belts are second nature is because people know they’d be in trouble if the get caught wo one.

The best deterrent is knowing there WILL be a punishment if you hit your partner. No But, no Why. Just an automatic consequence (just like it is fir the seat belt).
And we dint have that fur DV or for rape. Quite the opposite. Why would any man be weary of the consequences in that case?

If the idea is the raise the issue a PND remind people how common it is and how much of a problem it is (rather than a deterrent), I think it’s a good one.
At least, it cpuld get conversations Going and create a movement where people will say ‘that’s too much. What are we doing?’

I don’t know what the point is of stirring up the public. We are not in control of the police response to DV or any government initiative. It’s like saying ‘things are shit, thought you should know, but no, we’re not going to do anything about it.’

That brings it home, especially how the thought of giving birth is so frightening to lots of women