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Upskirted along time ago, reflecting as an adult

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RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 21:20

NC for this. Long time lurker; Sistine chapel, Korean lady in garden. It’s a bit long.

I’m 36, at the age of 17 I was up skirted by a teacher and I’m still a bit confused about my feelings so wanted to sound off in an anonymous forum. Also I’ve had a gin.

I was struggling with Biology, which was essential to my intended career so my parents hired a private science tutor to help me with my A Levels. I had my last session the afternoon before my exam.

I arrived home from the beach with my sister and cousin at the same time as my tutor arrived. I had a bikini on with a white pleated tennis skirt (it was my favourite), and I can’t remember what top I was wearing, it was probably a standard primark vest (knowing how I dressed at the time).

Part way through the session, near the end I think, I heard the sound of a phone taking a photo…this was before smartphones so the sound was recognisable. He was sitting opposite me at the dining table. I looked up and saw his arm positioned away from his body under the table and felt a chill. I tried to ignore it and carry on, not long later (maybe seconds, minutes, I can’t remember) he made an excuse to go to his car and left his phone in the middle of the table.

As soon as he left I picked his phone up and looked (I can’t remember if PINS were a thing then but he obviously didn’t have one), I saw a photo (though blurry) of myself under the table. I panicked and didn’t delete it and put his phone back where he left it just as he returned. Not long after this the session ended and my parents thanked him with some lovely bottles of red wine and he left. As soon as the door closed I remember breaking down about what had happened.. crying and explaining etc.

They called the police and an officer came over that afternoon to speak to us. He took my statement and said that the chances of anything happening were very slim and that court etc would be incredibly stressful with a poor outicome. So we left it. The officer said if he got pulled up for anything else in future that my statement would get flagged up and then I may be asked to stand in court. I don’t remember the specifics but I am sure that at the time it was implied that how I was dressed was relevant, and that I had just come home from a day at the beach. Although it was a long time ago I remember feeling the officer had implied/said that before MeToo was a thing and I started thinking about it from an adult POV.

A few years ago my child started school and I realised that I was having very strong feelings about having to see this guy again as I didn’t know where he was teaching. I called the police enquiry line and was able to talk it through a bit. They said that at the time, due to the quality of camera phones, upskirting wasn’t a prosecutable offence so everything had been handled correctly. They said they could tell me where he was teaching so I would be aware for which I was grateful. I said, as an adult, that if he should be pulled up for anything else I would go to court if needed. They told me he was 26 at the time of the offence.

I don’t think about it that often but when I do I am increasingly frustrated about the lack of action. This man was (and still is) a DBS checked teacher. How and why on Earth doesn’t this affect the DBS? Even then? Regardless of the fact that he was ‘only 26’ and that the photo was blurry?? I don’t understand and I guess I just needed to get this off my chest, as talking to the police didn’t seem to give me much closure and I still get wound up on the rare occasion it comes up.

Thank you for reading, I hope I’ve included all the relevant bits x

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RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 21:23

Also I’m very obviously annoyed with my younger self for not deleting it when I had the chance.

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RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 21:33

Can’t edit to say ‘a long’ time ago.

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eatyeateat · 12/11/2024 21:38

RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 21:23

Also I’m very obviously annoyed with my younger self for not deleting it when I had the chance.

You were young and in shock, don't blame yourself.

Aknifewith16blades · 12/11/2024 21:40

OP, I am wildly impressed by your younger self and how you handled things. I'm sorry that the police let you down.

What you were wearing had nothing to do with what happened.

You have done so much, Therapy might help you now.

RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 21:52

Thank you both so much, I really appreciate it. Every now and then it really winds me up and I’m not sure there’s anything I can actually do other than, as suggested, therapy. I will do this as I know I need to.

I suppose I have maybe always put too much faith in DBS, knowing that something like this happened to me and that it doesn’t even flag up feels infuriating.

Thank you x

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plumshard · 12/11/2024 22:35

Wasn't it a different time? 32 years ago (I was 15) I went to an interview for my work experience placement and afterwards the manager called me on my parents landline while tossing himself off. The school still sent me to work there. Nobody really believed me (luckily the guy took the week I was there as annual leave). It makes me furious to this day. I can only send you empathy and sympathy. I'm sorry it happened to you and put others at risk.

RosemaryAvocado · 12/11/2024 22:47

You’re absolutely right it was a different time. Im
so sorry that happened to you it sounds awful. I hope you’re ok.

Maybe part of my infuriation is that I’m looking at something that happened so long ago with a ‘2024 lense’… maybe I’m bitter about it. I don’t know. I was assaulted at work this year and this past incident (amongst others) has reared its head again. This one really bugs me in my memory due to the fact that this man was a teacher… I suppose I (naively) think that means it should have been taken more seriously at the time.
I am aware this incident is very ‘low down’ compared to what others have experienced. I guess I just had a sudden urge to talk about it with someone other than my husband.

Sending support all around x

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autienotnaughty · 13/11/2024 03:37

Unfortunately the police handled it appropriately at the time.

I seem to remember a woman who was upskirted at a festival challenged and petitioned for the law to be changed about 5 /7 years ago.

I think there's a lot of men who previously behaved that way don't do these types of behaviours now for fear of getting caught. (Although obviously many still do)

squishee · 13/11/2024 04:19

The thing is, upskirting is not only disturbing, but can also be a snapshot of how much more depraved someone is. The tip of the iceberg. For example, it was the only reason why Dominique Pélicot was arrested and his devices seized.

avignon1234 · 13/11/2024 04:37

I am sorry this has happened to you and even sorrier that it is still on your mind. It was, at least, taken seriously by your parents at the time, and in turn, by the police, who gave you the realistic view (of the time, that a blurry upskirting photo (when upskirting probably wasn't even a thing) that they could not prosecute. I am not minimalising the distress caused, nor pretending that it (and worse) has maybe happened to others. If you feel that you need to report it, then use the Police Me Too site, giving all details, at least then if there are lots of others, then you are not alone. Hope this helps

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