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Has anyone here ever reached the top of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs/Self Actualization?

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ForeverTipsy · 07/11/2024 21:09

If so, how long were you there for? I don't think I've ever met anyone who would admit to being there.

Here's a definition:

Self-actualization, to Maslow, is the ability to become the best version of oneself. Maslow stated, “This tendency might be phrased as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.”

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EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 08/11/2024 10:47

The most salient tip I can offer is this.

Seek to remove toxicity from your life - especially those who project negativity or seek to bring you down/hold you back.

Pennyloper · 08/11/2024 10:49

Nah , I'm too westernised to reach those dizzying heights, see Maslows whitewashing of indigenous beliefs.

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 10:51

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 08/11/2024 10:47

The most salient tip I can offer is this.

Seek to remove toxicity from your life - especially those who project negativity or seek to bring you down/hold you back.

Before you can truly do this you need to know what it is about yourself which wanted those people in your life in the first place AND to feel compassion for them.

Self actualization is about so much more than having all the stuff and dumping people you don't like. It's about taking full responsibility and awareness for all aspects of yourself, not just the socially acceptable parts.

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 10:52

Pennyloper · 08/11/2024 10:49

Nah , I'm too westernised to reach those dizzying heights, see Maslows whitewashing of indigenous beliefs.

Yes it was a very white western perspective!

MrTwatchester · 08/11/2024 10:52

VitaminSubtle · 08/11/2024 10:28

😀😀

I saw the new Vatican thriller Conclave last night, and was telling my 12 year old about it afterwards. When I was describing how the cardinals elect a new pope in total secrecy inside the Sistine Chapel, locked away from the world, no phones, no laptops, Wi-Fi disabled all round, with a Faraday cage to prevent bugs for eavesdropping, he said ‘No Wi-Fi??’ in a tone of amazement and outrage.

I still think back fondly to the day in 2004, chatting to a friend on MSN messenger, when he said he'd set up a Wi-Fi network in his house. I asked him why anyone would need such a thing, and actually typed the words, "it'll never catch on". Good times.

AgileGreenSeal · 08/11/2024 10:58

Maslow’s self-actualisation theory is incompatible with Christian doctrine, so as a Christian I wouldn’t be seeking to achieve this, no.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 08/11/2024 10:59

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 10:51

Before you can truly do this you need to know what it is about yourself which wanted those people in your life in the first place AND to feel compassion for them.

Self actualization is about so much more than having all the stuff and dumping people you don't like. It's about taking full responsibility and awareness for all aspects of yourself, not just the socially acceptable parts.

Nah, dump ‘em I say!

🤣

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 10:59

AgileGreenSeal · 08/11/2024 10:58

Maslow’s self-actualisation theory is incompatible with Christian doctrine, so as a Christian I wouldn’t be seeking to achieve this, no.

I would have thought having religious beliefs would make the concept of transcendence easier to achieve

Singleandproud · 08/11/2024 11:00

@MrTwatchester this is extremely cheesy and American but watch this Teens react to 90s internet advert, imagine having to advertise the internet seems ridiculous now it'll never catch on...

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 11:00

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 08/11/2024 10:59

Nah, dump ‘em I say!

🤣

It's definitely easier that way!

AgileGreenSeal · 08/11/2024 11:10

Fadedchintz · 08/11/2024 10:59

I would have thought having religious beliefs would make the concept of transcendence easier to achieve

The Lord Jesus Christ’s teaching on the saving of the “psychē” (translated soul, life etc) is very specific -

“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?”
Matthew 16:24-26

iwantavuvezela · 08/11/2024 11:12

I always thought that Nelson Mandela was a good example of reaching true self actualisation.

Berga · 08/11/2024 11:15

Pennyloper · 08/11/2024 10:49

Nah , I'm too westernised to reach those dizzying heights, see Maslows whitewashing of indigenous beliefs.

Yes to this, it's so interesting to read where Maslow got (or stole) his ideas from. Also the importance of community is removed and there is no mention of the idea that we are all born self actualised. It's not a journey or a destination.

Summerhillsquare · 08/11/2024 14:03

VitaminSubtle · 08/11/2024 10:29

Do you subscribe to The Imperfectionist? I’ve recently signed up for the emails, but have a backlog to read…

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The only 'self help' I allow in my life!

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 08/11/2024 17:46

Seek to remove toxicity from your life - especially those who project negativity or seek to bring you down/hold you back.

Unfortunately, sometimes this is impossible, because you need to deal with organisations like Social Services, the NHS, etc not for yourself; but for relatives - and they have statutory duties to them.

ForeverTipsy · 08/11/2024 20:53

Singleandproud · 08/11/2024 11:00

@MrTwatchester this is extremely cheesy and American but watch this Teens react to 90s internet advert, imagine having to advertise the internet seems ridiculous now it'll never catch on...

This was a fun watch - thank you! Will watch it with my teen and tween over the weekend (perhaps I should do a reaction video to the reaction video?!).

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ForeverTipsy · 08/11/2024 21:01

Pennyloper · 08/11/2024 10:49

Nah , I'm too westernised to reach those dizzying heights, see Maslows whitewashing of indigenous beliefs.

Thank you for this; just Googling and reading about the Blackfoot tribe.

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ForeverTipsy · 08/11/2024 21:04

RamblingEclectic · 08/11/2024 10:26

Any time you are working towards becoming your best self or pushing your capability, you have reached that level, according to Maslow.

Maslow's Hierarchy of needs theory wasn't about getting to the top. His writings and theories discuss that everyone has gaps at each level - no one is complete at every level even physiologically as those needs are constantly coming, but to him self actualization should be the end goal for people. The whole pyramid image and concept of people having to complete each level in turn came from business people later, and then later in education it was butchered again with the idea children can't learn (self actualizing) without fully meeting the other levels first, which - while an understandable concept in support kids - has nothing to do with Maslow.

Personally, I like some of the reconstructed needs better, like this one where connection is at the centre as an essential with other needs around it. Self actualising really only fits as the ultimate within quite individualistic cultures, which Maslow was writing from, and even for many within them, isn't automatically the ultimate goal.

Much prefer the diagram with the community and connection sections on it.

I'm now realising the implications of the traditional pyramid being designed by a white western man. And how some may interpret the highest point when viewed through a commercial and individual lens.

If the 'goal' is to feel connected and part of - and contributing to - a healthy community, then I reckon I may be there.

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Womblewife · 08/11/2024 21:07

Jellycatspyjamas · 07/11/2024 21:26

The theory is that we’re all always in the process of becoming so always actualising. A process that’s ongoing rather than a destination to be reached.

This. You never actually reach the point of actualisation , it is rather an aspiration of where you want to be.

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