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Thread 11 Starmer: Will that Phone Call Be To Harris or to Trump? (the decidedly superior looking cats thread)

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BIossomtoes · 05/11/2024 17:13

New thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5195566-thread-10-starmer-first-female-chancellor-delivers-the-budget?page=40&reply=139578573

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SerendipityJane · 13/11/2024 17:46

cakeorwine · 13/11/2024 17:44

But where is that £16 billion going to come from?

Well initially the banks and finance companies - it's not like we're holding telethons for them is it ? (Who will then screw it back out of their customers).

This was supposed to trigger a complete collapse of the UK car sales industry. Which would probably mean hitting our net zero 30 years early.

LlynTegid · 13/11/2024 17:50

cakeorwine · 13/11/2024 16:38

*I thought the 4 day week was the same hours but fewer days.

Not fewer hours

Most of those arguing for it seem to want to replace five 7 hour days with four 8 hour ones. Mind you, given how much time is spent with tasks at many jobs that are the same regardless of length of the working day (coffee chats for example, logging on), I doubt you'd get 3 hours less productive work.

Alexandra2001 · 13/11/2024 17:51

cakeorwine · 13/11/2024 17:46

It would have been fascinating to see the Tories budget if they had been in power- and how they would have funded their NMW increases, NI decreases and pay rises

And to have seen the Tory press reaction
And to have seen Labour's reaction

I think the Tories had absolutely no intention of funding anything, they knew they would lose the GE and did what they did to fuck up Labour but of course its not really Labour they screwed over but the UK.

We'll all be paying for what they ve done.

Piggywaspushed · 13/11/2024 18:09

I am very much enjoying number 4 on this list...

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Zonder · 13/11/2024 19:06

cakeorwine · 13/11/2024 16:37

Mrs Kemi Badenoch
(North West Essex) (Con)
The Prime Minister can plant as many questions as he likes with his Back Benchers, but at the end of the day I am the one he has to face at the Dispatch Box. I welcome him back from his trip to Azerbaijan, where he has unilaterally made commitments that will make life more expensive for everyone back home. Speaking of making life—[Interruption.]

Mr Speaker
Order. Somebody is suggesting reading; I think you will notice that the Prime Minister also reads, so please get your act together.

Mrs Badenoch
I can pre-prepare my questions, but the Prime Minister needs to answer from his mind. He has made life more expensive with his unilateral commitments but, speaking of making life more expensive, will the Prime Minister confirm that he will keep the cap on council tax?

The Prime Minister
The right hon. Lady talks of the trip to COP. I am very proud of the fact that we are restoring leadership on climate to the UK, because that will be measured in lower bills, energy independence and the jobs of the future. She may have missed this, but on Monday I was very pleased to announce a huge order into jobs in Hull for blades for offshore wind. If she is opposed to that sort of action, she should go to Hull and say so. On the question of councils, she knows what the arrangements are.

Mrs Badenoch
I think the House will have heard that the Prime Minister could neither confirm nor deny whether the cap on council tax was being raised, so I will ask him this: how much extra does he expect local authorities will have to raise to cover the social care funding gap created by the Chancellor’s Budget and increases in employers’ NI? He told the hon. Member for Edinburgh West (Christine Jardine) just now that he was covering social care. How much extra does he expect local authorities to raise?

The Prime Minister
This knockabout is all very well, but not actually listening to what I said three minutes ago is a bit of a fundamental failure of the Leader of the Opposition. I just said £600 million, and I repeat it: £600 million.

Mrs Badenoch
The Prime Minister has repeated that number because he has probably not listened to the Labour-run Local Government Association, which said that with no separate funding for the Chancellor’s Budget announcements, care providers would likely see increased costs, which will cost councils more. All of the £600 million in grant increase he is giving will not cover what is required for adult social care. It is clear that the Government have not thought through the impact of the Budget, and this is the problem with having a copy-and-paste Chancellor. Did they not realise that care homes, GP surgeries, children’s nurseries, hospices and even charities have to pay employers’ NI?

The Prime Minister
We have put more money into local authorities than the Conservatives did in 14 years. They left them in an absolutely catastrophic state. We have produced a Budget that does not increase tax on working people—nothing in the payslip—and is investing in our NHS, investing in our schools so every child can go as far as their talent will take them, and investing in the houses of the future. If she is against those things, she should say so.

Mrs Badenoch
I am not against any of those things—[Hon. Members: “Ah!”] Of course not; none of us is against any of those things. But the Prime Minister has confirmed that he does not know what is going on. He probably does not realise that on Monday the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government revealed that councils will need to find an additional £2.4 billion in council tax next year. That is a lot more than £600 million. I know he has been away, but did the Deputy Prime Minister, who runs that Department, make him aware of their £2.4 billion black hole?

The Prime Minister
Let me get this straight: the Leader of the Opposition does not want any of the measures in the Budget, but she wants all the benefits? The magic money tree is back after two weeks in office. The Conservatives have learned absolutely nothing. We have put forward a Budget that takes the difficult decisions, fixing the £22 billion black hole that they left and investing in the future of our country. They say that they want all that, but they do not know how they will pay for it—same old Tories.

Mrs Badenoch
Even the Prime Minister must admit that Labour fiddled the fiscal rules. The Office for Budget Responsibility has said that it does not recognise where the additional growth will come from. The fact is that the rise in employer national insurance will be a disaster for small businesses around the country. Let me tell you about Kelly, Mr Speaker. For over 20 years, Kelly has run an after-school club business supporting 500 children and families in her borough. In 2024, her national insurance cost was about £10,000; in April, that will rise to £26,000—that is a 150% increase in costs from the Budget alone. If Kelly’s small business goes under, what is the Prime Minister’s message to her and the 500 families it supports?

The Prime Minister
I would say this to Kelly: we inherited a very badly damaged economy and a £22 billion black hole, and we were not prepared to continue with the fiction. We stabilised—[Interruption.]

Mr Speaker
Order. Ms Lopez, I am sure I can expect better from you as a Parliamentary Private Secretary.

The Prime Minister
I would say to Kelly that we are fixing the mess that we were left and are investing in the future of our country. I would also say to her that the Leader of the Opposition, in week two, wants all the benefits from the Budget but has no way of saying how she will pay for them—the same old mistake over and over again.

Mrs Badenoch
The Prime Minister has nothing to offer but platitudes. The fact is that the Government do not know what they are doing. Their ideological Budget was designed to milk the private sector and hope that nobody would notice. Now, his Cabinet Ministers are all queuing up for public sector bail-outs for his tax mess. If he is going to bail out the public sector, perhaps he can tell us this: does he think it appropriate to approve—as the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government has done—a four-day week for councils? That is not flexible working but part-time work for full-time pay.

The Prime Minister
Questions based on what we are actually doing are usually better than made-up fantasy questions. What did the Tories deliver in 14 years? Low growth, a stagnant economy, a disastrous mini-Budget and a £22 billion black hole. And now, the Leader of the Opposition wants to give me advice on running the economy. I do not want to be rude, but no, thank you very much.

Thanks for this. Wow, she is flailing around out of her depth. She doesn't seem to be able to hear any of his responses.

itsgettingweird · 13/11/2024 19:46

Seems like Badenoch has fallen into the trap of using lots of long words and expressions without meaning and it'll sound good and confuse the opposition.

But it didn't work for Johnson so I don't know why they all try where he failed and most importantly it's failed for them all because they are against Starmer who's whole working life has been as a barrister and so his job has been to not allow fluff and waffle to influence peoples minds and thought processes.

I think the opposition should hold the current government to account.

But they are going to have to try a different tact against Starmer - or we risk no decent opposition and that's as dangerous as the opposition who are weak being the government in charge.

PandoraSox · 13/11/2024 20:00

But they are going to have to try a different tact against Starmer - or we risk no decent opposition and that's as dangerous as the opposition who are weak being the government in charge

Absolutely.

LlynTegid · 13/11/2024 20:04

itsgettingweird · 13/11/2024 19:46

Seems like Badenoch has fallen into the trap of using lots of long words and expressions without meaning and it'll sound good and confuse the opposition.

But it didn't work for Johnson so I don't know why they all try where he failed and most importantly it's failed for them all because they are against Starmer who's whole working life has been as a barrister and so his job has been to not allow fluff and waffle to influence peoples minds and thought processes.

I think the opposition should hold the current government to account.

But they are going to have to try a different tact against Starmer - or we risk no decent opposition and that's as dangerous as the opposition who are weak being the government in charge.

Boris Johnson was never Leader of the Opposition. As for holding him to account, for some of his actions I still think it should be in a court of law.

Kemi Badenoch's policies I will disagree with, whereas with Boris Johnson it is about his conduct as much as that.

Alexandra2001 · 13/11/2024 21:15

itsgettingweird · 13/11/2024 19:46

Seems like Badenoch has fallen into the trap of using lots of long words and expressions without meaning and it'll sound good and confuse the opposition.

But it didn't work for Johnson so I don't know why they all try where he failed and most importantly it's failed for them all because they are against Starmer who's whole working life has been as a barrister and so his job has been to not allow fluff and waffle to influence peoples minds and thought processes.

I think the opposition should hold the current government to account.

But they are going to have to try a different tact against Starmer - or we risk no decent opposition and that's as dangerous as the opposition who are weak being the government in charge.

Its early days, she hasn't even been an MP for very long.

Hold to account? with such a majority and her party being very small now, there is little chance of that, not that it does any good with any opposition, the Govt of the day, has the whip hand, they can do as they please.

MaybeNotBob · 13/11/2024 22:13

Its early days, she hasn't even been an MP for very long.

Yes, but she hasn't been a human being for that long yet either...

PandoraSox · 13/11/2024 22:53

MaybeNotBob · 13/11/2024 22:13

Its early days, she hasn't even been an MP for very long.

Yes, but she hasn't been a human being for that long yet either...

I am not sure what you mean?

SerendipityJane · 14/11/2024 10:41

We appear to have gone through a mirror where the right are now riddled with factional infighting and much more geared towards their opposition being cultural and ideological than practical.

Never was pop music such a powerful oracle:

"And now the parting on the left is now a parting on the right"

ContactNightmare · 14/11/2024 10:59

Badenoch is exactly the same sort of politician as Truss. She has the same backers.

Regrettably not as charming as her mentor Gove; and perhaps too used to having all the resource of government behind her. I don’t think she’s ever been in opposition but it’s incredibly tough.

Alexandra2001 · 14/11/2024 11:28

Did anyone notice that Tory Kevin Hollinrake supports Reeves plans on council run pension funds to mega funds?

I almost had a heart attack and even googled the shadow ministers name to make sure i wasn't mistaken and he'd defected.....

Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 11:49

@Alexandra2001 I watched him when I was at PMQ's in september and he seemed to be nodding in agreement to a lot of what Jonathan Reynolds was saying about the Port Talbot steelworks.
Could he be Kemi Badenoch's first on to go over ?

Alexandra2001 · 14/11/2024 11:55

Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 11:49

@Alexandra2001 I watched him when I was at PMQ's in september and he seemed to be nodding in agreement to a lot of what Jonathan Reynolds was saying about the Port Talbot steelworks.
Could he be Kemi Badenoch's first on to go over ?

Perhaps he will?

it wasn't just that he agreed with the mega pension funds, it was that he went on to say that he wanted Labour to succeed on the growth agenda and he didn't oppose just for the sake of it......

Even Sky's Wilfred Frost seemed taken a back!!!

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2024 14:45

"The founding editor of the Guido Fawkes gossip blog, Paul Staines, is stepping down. From now on, the anti-elite website will be run by a member of the House of Lords."

Paul Kempsell aka Baron Kempsell of Letchworth

(Thw New European)

Eve · 14/11/2024 15:20

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2024 14:45

"The founding editor of the Guido Fawkes gossip blog, Paul Staines, is stepping down. From now on, the anti-elite website will be run by a member of the House of Lords."

Paul Kempsell aka Baron Kempsell of Letchworth

(Thw New European)

Anti elite - run by a member of the HoL. ?

dontcallmelen · 14/11/2024 15:39

Eve · 14/11/2024 15:20

Anti elite - run by a member of the HoL. ?

Wtf gaslighting much
crikey some common sense from Kevin Hollinrake well done him, St.Kemi always appears to me anyway of having a very over inflated sense of her capabilities wondering if eventually she goes full on stark raving bonkers like Truss

ContactNightmare · 14/11/2024 17:32

Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 11:49

@Alexandra2001 I watched him when I was at PMQ's in september and he seemed to be nodding in agreement to a lot of what Jonathan Reynolds was saying about the Port Talbot steelworks.
Could he be Kemi Badenoch's first on to go over ?

It seems to be forgotten that many moderate Tories used to think investment in the U.K., both public and private was a good idea. It was only in the last decade they seem to have gone totally extractive, corrupt and destructive.

It still is a good idea! Not Tufton St oddbods

DuncinToffee · 14/11/2024 19:15

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5m7mp96l8o

"As a public official, I take no position on Brexit, but I do have to point out consequences. The impact on trade underlines why we must be alert to and welcome opportunities to rebuild relations."

Bailey was chosen by Johnson as Brexit-friendly.

Andrew Bailey, Bank of England governor, talking at a press conference after the Bank cut interest rates on 7th November

Bank of England boss to say UK must 'rebuild relations' after Brexit

Governor Andrew Bailey will deliver his strongest comments yet on the UK's departure from the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5m7mp96l8o

Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 20:04

@ContactNightmare Indeed. I am old and I remember when decency , integrity and doing the right thing was important to MP's in all parties.

BIossomtoes · 14/11/2024 20:07

Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 20:04

@ContactNightmare Indeed. I am old and I remember when decency , integrity and doing the right thing was important to MP's in all parties.

Same. It feels a million years ago.

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Elodie09 · 14/11/2024 20:08

Just need to add to my post before I get piled on - there were a greater number of MPs across all parties who exhibited high standards . not every single one obviously!