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MIL rant

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SwordToFlamethrower · 02/11/2024 20:49

I have had to deal with my MIL for 10 years now. Also not my first post about her, but I reappt need to vent!

In the past, there have been periods of no contact, she has affected our marriage at times, caused me so much stress and anxiety. She forces her religious views on us, she comments on our weight, our looks, and criticises our way of life with every visit. She seems to start arguments as a hobby as she seems to genuinely enjoy the 100% attention she gets from my husband. They can go on for hours and i generally tend to disappear to another room. I really do think she gets a buzz from them.

Whenever we ask her not to shout or force her views on us, she bursts into tears and says it's because she cares about us. She is a lecturer. If anyone tries to engage, she increases her volume.

She just stayed for 5 days and left on Sunday and she wants to know what we are doing for dd birthday!!!

MIL had been wanting to visit for months but we have been putting it off due to the stress she brings to us, and that our house is messy with having a toddler and although our home is clean, there is stuff piling up as we have 3 different businesses we do from home. She has made digs at me about the house, even though we both have equal responsibility at home. I did call her out and she laughed saying it was just a joke. (Meaning I can't take one)

MIL very kindly offered to look after our 2yo daughter so we could do some important stuff that wasn't child appropriate on Saturday. I would have asked a friend but it was going to be a very late night)

However, it came with a price. She was worse than usual and laid into us for most of the time she was with us. I usually create a bingo sheet as a lighthearted way to deal with her bs that me and DH can tick off. I ended up ticking about 10 items off!

Her cutting judgments, endlessly repeating stuff she's said before, criticising our way of life was the theme of the visit.

She made comments about our looks, our weight, our daughter's size (she is 23 mths) what we wear etc. She dressed it up as "concerns" and "how she shows she cares". DH is apparently too skinny and if there was a disaster or a war and lack of access to food, he would DIE. If he got ill, he might DIE. Yes, she really used that argument. She said she was concerned he is stressed and wasting away.(He is in the healthy weight range according to the NHS). He repeatedly reassured her he is fine but she wouldn't stop. She had made her judgment and no matter what we said, she wouldn't budge. He will die, she is very concerned, and that meant she could engage her other top hobby - lecturing us about vitamins, minerals, fats, sugar and weight. Never mind that we are both in good health, she has no teeth of her own and is fighting high cholesterol, and has non alcoholic fatty liver disease, due to her addiction to sugar.

Funnily enough, this time, she seemed to think I look slim and athletic. In the past she has told me if I'm too fat. When I had just given birth, she commented about my weight, just this time, that I fit her definition of a good size.

Our daughter can hear all this crap and when we both asked her to stop with the comments, she burst into tears and said she does it because she cares.

I said if she wants to show love, she can not comment or criticise our bodies so much as it triggers my old eating disorder. Tears of poor me, I say it because I care, it is just who I am!

Next it was her Christian faith and her belief that Jesus is an alien hybrid. She brings this topic up every time she visits as though it is brand new information and will be a revelation to us. There is no discussion, it is a lecture. Always a lecture and she is ALWAYS right. It always turns into an argument because she just needs to be right about this. Mary was impregnant by an alien and this is why he had super powers. We say we know, she has already told us at least 10 times! I think she continues because we aren't Christians and certainly don't believe in the alien Jesus theory.

Next was our choice to home educate our daughter. This is new information to her and she was absolutely livid and it created the most awful arguments for days. I was mostly excluded from the arguments and my husband and her locked horns in another room. Our reasons were clearly laid out to her. The British school system is in dire straights at the moment and has been for a while. We are both on the spectrum and don't want the struggles we went through, for our daughter. There are other reasons too, all perfectly reasonable. We have a plan for her education and it will be nature based.

She really hates that we don't watch mainstream telly or the news and tried to bring me up to speed with the most horrific, triggering, traumatic news she could think of. Dead babies, torture of children, wars. I asked her in advance to please not tell me, I'm a highly sensitive AuDHD, PTSD with a toddler and can't cope with these horrors. I literally cannot process them, I get nightmares. I also struggle with turning off injustices in my mind so for my own protection, managing my issues, we made a decision not to watch national news. She ignored my direct request and told me anyway saying it was important I knew.

Husband was livid. This is every visit she does this. She feels angry we don't spend our time watching telly and the news. She thinks we are ignorant and uneducated. For the record, we subscribe to our local newspapers, do voluntary work in our community, own hundreds and hundreds of books on a huge variety of subjects and always learning new things. We are always busy with projects.

We went out to a maker market that my friend runs and another friend had a stall set up. We went there to support them and take a look around. Saw loads of people we know and had lots of lovely chats. I thought that went well. We ate in a cafe and had a nice time.

Then the last straw was on the last day. The home school thing got brought up again while in the car and she was shrieking and shouting at me while sat next to our toddler. Literally shouting about wars and school and how countries that don't educate kids end up third world countries. She just won't listen! We are educating her at home ourselves and she thinks that means no education at all. DH is educated to degree standard and i was a very successful childminder for years!

The argument continued into the house, I was nursing and cuddling our daughter and they were shouting in the hall, suddenly it stopped and I could hear her whispering. My husband was whispering back. I couldn't move from the lounge because I was nursing and she had fallen asleep. But I could hear them whispering.

Obviously this meant only one thing. She was shit talking about me to my husband, i couldn't hear it, but that would be the reason for whispering.

Making me out to be controlling, manipulative, selfish and that the reason he is skinny is nothing to do with him getting food poisoning from the food I told him not to eat (back of the fridge snack) but because I was stressing him to death. She thought that he was being abused because he was left "holding the baby" while I chatted to my friends for what amounted to 45 minutes at the market! Apparently I'm not allowed to have friends or coparent equally and must be a servant to my husband at all times. It has been 10 years and my mother in law still thinks the worst of me.

My husband put her straight and she burst into tears (again) and came to apologise to me for "adding to my stress".

An understatement!

My husband told me exactly what she said after she had gone, to confirm what I guessed.

She has always thought the worst of me. Not liking me from day one. The root of all this is that she divorced her husband when DH was 12 and DH lived at home till he was 29. She came to think of him as her surrogate husband, it was an enmeshed relationship where DH was both her son and her spouse and therefore, I am the "other woman" who stole him away.

I will always be the object of her hatred.

DH and I have had some major arguments and they have 9/10 been because of her.

These days, she visits very rarely and we don't tell her very much. But this time was particularly bad and it has upset me greatly.

My husband thinks it's great that she has apologised to me. This is actually a first, I don't think she ever has before. I accepted it and she gave me a kiss on the head.

Is this the end of 10 years of being shitty?

Well. No. I really don't think so.

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Gymnopedie · 02/11/2024 21:18

DH needs to stand up to her more and be able to see past the tears. It's good that he 'put her straight' but he should never have been whispering in the first place, or letting her go on to be able to come back and tell you what she said. He should have told her first that he wasn't going to engage or whisper and if she had anything to say she could say it in front of you.

So although it could be worse you still have a DH problem.

How bad does it get? Would it ever come to it's her or me?

You've cut down the visits - tell him they stop completely unless she can at least learn to respect you. How she treats him is up to him, but you don't have to take it.

Skybluepinky · 02/11/2024 21:34

If u use family for childcare u open yrself up to this.

SwordToFlamethrower · 02/11/2024 21:48

Gymnopedie · 02/11/2024 21:18

DH needs to stand up to her more and be able to see past the tears. It's good that he 'put her straight' but he should never have been whispering in the first place, or letting her go on to be able to come back and tell you what she said. He should have told her first that he wasn't going to engage or whisper and if she had anything to say she could say it in front of you.

So although it could be worse you still have a DH problem.

How bad does it get? Would it ever come to it's her or me?

You've cut down the visits - tell him they stop completely unless she can at least learn to respect you. How she treats him is up to him, but you don't have to take it.

Thanks for your reply. DH said that MIL has complained that she never gets to talk in private to him and that I get told things.

When things are about me, then yeah, damn straight it's my business! He whispered very loudly in response to her questions, she was shushing him and he refused. This was outside my lounge door! Whispering in secret against me in my own home is not on is it.

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SwordToFlamethrower · 02/11/2024 22:52

Skybluepinky · 02/11/2024 21:34

If u use family for childcare u open yrself up to this.

We didn't have other options for a commitment between 10 am to midnight.

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FloofyKat · 02/11/2024 23:07

I struggle to understand why you would both put up with this. Why don’t you both stand up for yourselves and stop giving her so much access into your lives?

You need to find alternatives to childcare so you are not giving her houseroom or headroom!

SwordToFlamethrower · 03/11/2024 09:41

We have gone no contact several times over the years.

We worry about her because she is on her own with no family where she lives (about 3 hours away). And dh is an only child etc etc.

I really don't want her in my life but I feel I have no choice bc my husband does.

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FloofyKat · 03/11/2024 22:11

Perhaps it’s time to tell your that if he wants to maintain contact fine, but he has to do it away from the marital home and without you being present.

SnoopysHoose · 03/11/2024 22:44

Mary and the alien would be enough for me, she's a loon.

RandomMess · 03/11/2024 22:56

I suggest visits are 2 nights maximum and preferably at hers where she has to host. Better still stay in a hotel nearby.

Had your DH had therapy to deal with his FOG and the enmeshment?

junebirthdaygirl · 03/11/2024 23:40

Stop telling her stuff. If she brings up mad mad stuff like about Mary just don't engage..she is not a Christian if she believes that but l wouldn't engage with it.
She obviously has serious mental health issues and it sounds like your dh engages too much in arguments. Just find one sentence to say like : we have to agree to disagree..And leave it. Dont try to justify your decisions. Its nothing to do with her. But l would see her as little as possible. Let dh got to visit her and stay far away.

CosyLemur · 07/11/2024 08:25

As an autistic adult I agree with your mum home schooling your child is the worst thing you can do for her!
Especially as you've got no ability to watch the news without having nightmares.
You need counselling.

Noglitterallowed · 07/11/2024 08:52

If you literally can’t watch news or know what’s going on in the world without having nightmares how will you home educate without your child being totally unaware of the world?

apart from that she sounds mad

Candystore22 · 07/11/2024 09:07

The contact between you (couple) and her seems to be all or nothing. You’re either no contact or she’s staying for 5 days. Both are extreme and unnecessary (and drive most people round the bend). You need to find a middle ground: a visit, not staying overnight.No oversharing of information, believes, world views etc. Goes both ways because you both obviously have opposite views about the world. There is no right or wrong in that.
There is no need to engage in the “discussions”. “We’ll need to agree to disagree on this one” is the best reply by the sounds of it.
And that is why you need to get away from this all or nothing contact. It’s easier to avoid heavy discussions if you meet for just a few hours and are not in each other’s faces for 5 days.

She sounds quite batty from what you write, but I don’t think she is the only problem you have. You’ve also got a husband problem because he’s allowed her to shout, criticise, be rude and demeaning to him, you and your child in your house for 10 years. TEN years. He really needs to stand up to her and be the one who says “mam, I love you but your behaviour is unacceptable and I cannot let you talk like this Ito my family”.

Also, find a paid babysitter so you’re not relying on her for childcare. Yes it might be expensive but the price is worth it when it means you can avoid the critism and shouting.

Swiftie1878 · 07/11/2024 11:33

All of this, ALL of it, is a DH issue.

MiL obviously has problems with self regulation, but your DH is enabling her behaviour.
He needs to step up, tell her it’s unacceptable, and if it continues, send her home.
Zero tolerance is the only way to fix this if NC is not an option.
Good luck!

kurotora · 08/11/2024 07:53

The home education plan with the PTSD/cannot watch news or engage with world events is nuts though (I’m also an autistic adult). There are a few flags here that make me reckon this is not all one sided. That aside, seems you’re unable to give her the brush off while staying in contact, so maybe you need to learn some resilience or cut contact.

cockadoodledandy · 08/11/2024 15:02

“Christian faith and her belief that Jesus is an alien hybrid”

sorry, I stopped reading at this point. This tells you all you need to know. She’s a tin-hat madwoman.

Genuinely, if she believes that, she can’t be reasoned with.

AzureFinch · 10/11/2024 05:05

She also sounds ND

SwordToFlamethrower · 10/11/2024 18:06

She is probably ADHD, she has many of the classic traits. Being an absolutely horrible, screeching, judgmental, rude, argumentative a-hole isn't a ND trait though

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