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Lougle · 02/11/2024 14:15

JurassicShay · 02/11/2024 11:20

What a very sad story.

My nearly 17 year old was born at The Royal Hampshire county hospital in Winchester and had a ankle tag that wouldn't let her get taken of the ward. She also had the paper wrist bracelets.

My next 3 children were born at a different hospital over the span of 15 years and were only given the paper bracelets.

That's weird. All 3 of mine (18, 17, 15) were born at RHCH and none were given RFID tags.

KnottedTwine · 02/11/2024 14:17

I'm sure it did happen more frequently in the past in that period between the start of the NHS in the late 40s and tighter security.

I do think though that the whole thing has been handled badly by both sides. No mention at all of counsellors, or intermediaries acting as go-betweens.

TheGreatScotchEggControversy · 02/11/2024 14:18

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 02/11/2024 13:43

I wonder if Claire would have been so enthusiastic if she hadn’t had a shit childhood and her parents weren’t dead.

I can honestly say that if someone told me now I’d been switched at birth and my parents weren’t my parents I wouldn’t want to know.

And if I found out through DNA testing I wouldn’t tell my parents.

On the flip side what if Claire's parents were multi millionaires, that would have been a different experience for Jessica

stormmclean · 02/11/2024 14:19

https://brenmoor.com/catalogue/infa125-rfid-childs-wristband/

These are the rfid bracelets - they are plastic bracelets not big tags.

The DNA test that showed two women had been swapped at birth
liverpudcounsel · 02/11/2024 14:24

To me, biology isn't what defines a parent-child bond. Even if there were doubts about my daughter being biologically mine, it wouldn’t change anything; she’s my daughter because I raised her, cared for her, and we’ve built a life together. I wouldn't feel the need to seek out a child I'm biologically related to—my focus and heart are with the daughter I've been there for. In my life, it's the relationship that truly matters, not a genetic connection.

SchoolDilemma17 · 02/11/2024 14:26

CabbagesAndCeilingWax · 02/11/2024 10:45

How awful for Jessica - she wasn't the one who even took a test, and within the space of 5 days her whole world was blown apart, and her brother was welcoming his new sister in to meet their mum etc. I can see why she must have felt very pushed aside.

A bit of a side note, the article mentioned that since the 1980s all newborns have been fitted with radio tracking devices. I've had two babies in hospital in the last 15 years, and they never had anything other than a plastic wrist band with my NHS number printed on and "Baby Surname" written in sharpie?

my last baby (born 3 years ago) had a tracking device but this was apparently because of covid (mums were taking babies to Costa as no visitors in ward allowed) and it beeped when you left the ward. Didn’t have one for my previous children.

Enko · 02/11/2024 14:27

Gettingbysomehow · 02/11/2024 11:35

I scrutinised my sons face when he was born and I would have known him anywhere. I would have known if he'd been swapped.
How can you not know your own baby.
However I was 58 when I did a dna test and found out my mother lied about who my father was. I was extremely pissed off as my actual father had by then died without ever knowing he had a daughter. Our relationship has been left in tatters.

Edited

To me this is a contradiction in terms.

First you say "how can you not know your own baby" then you go on to say your stepfather/the father whom thought you were his that your mum put on the birth certificate did not know his own baby..

Dd2 changed hugely the first 12 hours. She was born blotchy puffed cheeks with slanted eyes black hair l. Within hours the puffiness had gone her eyes no longer looked slanted and her hair turned out to be light brown as the blood came off as we wiped her more.

She was a home birth so no chance of a swap. However if I had gone to sleep and got the non slanted eye baby back I would likely have trusted the people who told me this was my baby.

Not all babies look the same a few hours after birth.

SchoolDilemma17 · 02/11/2024 14:27

TheGreatScotchEggControversy · 02/11/2024 14:18

On the flip side what if Claire's parents were multi millionaires, that would have been a different experience for Jessica

I agree. My DM is a challenging person and I didn’t have a nice childhood, I would be so happy to find a “new” DM who is lovely and kind

OrangeSlices998 · 02/11/2024 14:29

liverpudcounsel · 02/11/2024 14:24

To me, biology isn't what defines a parent-child bond. Even if there were doubts about my daughter being biologically mine, it wouldn’t change anything; she’s my daughter because I raised her, cared for her, and we’ve built a life together. I wouldn't feel the need to seek out a child I'm biologically related to—my focus and heart are with the daughter I've been there for. In my life, it's the relationship that truly matters, not a genetic connection.

That’s very easy to say when you know your daughter is yours and you haven’t had a lifetime of perhaps a difficult relationship, genetics DO matter even if we think they don’t. It’s not the only thing, I have an adopted sibling I’m closer to than my biological one, but we can’t pretend family isn’t partly driven by genetics (in most cases)

Jlort · 02/11/2024 14:32

I had a cousin who was given up for adoption by my Aunt. She didn't know she was adopted until she 30 and came to find my aunt and the rest of us. She looked like she belonged in our family. She had similar tastes, interests and values. She never felt she fit in her adoptive family. I think it was very hard on her adoptive mum and my aunt who had hoped that the baby had gone on to have a very happy life. Genetics means quite a bit.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 02/11/2024 14:38

CabbagesAndCeilingWax · 02/11/2024 10:47

Mine were very generic looking squashed, bald, angry blobs when they first came out, and they changed enormously even over the first 24 hours.

Mine too 😂

JurassicShay · 02/11/2024 14:40

@Lougle that is weird. She was born January 08, I had a great birth there but the aftercare was terrible.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/11/2024 14:42

stormmclean · 02/11/2024 14:08

What suggested that Jessica wasn't a satisfactory daughter? That seems like an odd reading of it to me.

Maybe I'm wrong (hopefully!) but the way "Joan" has no mixed feelings about getting "Clare" back, it is as if she doesn't feel the understanding for "Jessica's" situation that you would surely expect?

While Claire now calls her “Mum”, Joan tells me that Jessica no longer does. But Joan feels only that she has gained a daughter.

I know she says "Jessica" will always be her daughter but honestly if they had previously had a good relationship, would "Jessica" have stopped calling her "Mum"? I don't think so.

In "Claire's" case she is unambiguously delighted with her new and better family because her other family was a bit rubbish. If they had been close and loving, she would be less keen to dive into a new family. It feels as if "Joan" is also a bit keen on the daughter front.

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 02/11/2024 14:43

liverpudcounsel · 02/11/2024 14:24

To me, biology isn't what defines a parent-child bond. Even if there were doubts about my daughter being biologically mine, it wouldn’t change anything; she’s my daughter because I raised her, cared for her, and we’ve built a life together. I wouldn't feel the need to seek out a child I'm biologically related to—my focus and heart are with the daughter I've been there for. In my life, it's the relationship that truly matters, not a genetic connection.

As someone who was adopted, I absolutely agree with you. I don't feel genetics matter at all really when it comes to who is and isn't family. I also think that there's a lot of confirmation bias that goes on around the question of 'feeling different' etc.

YouveGotAFastCar · 02/11/2024 14:45

A bit of a side note, the article mentioned that since the 1980s all newborns have been fitted with radio tracking devices. I've had two babies in hospital in the last 15 years, and they never had anything other than a plastic wrist band with my NHS number printed on and "Baby Surname" written in sharpie?

I thought this too. I had DS 2.5 years ago, he's just got a flimsy plastic wristband too, with his name and hospital number on it. A friend has just had a baby three weeks ago with the same. Coincidentally, the memory box is currently out - there's nowhere for a chip or tag to be inserted, it's just flat flimsy plastic.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 02/11/2024 14:52

YouveGotAFastCar · 02/11/2024 14:45

A bit of a side note, the article mentioned that since the 1980s all newborns have been fitted with radio tracking devices. I've had two babies in hospital in the last 15 years, and they never had anything other than a plastic wrist band with my NHS number printed on and "Baby Surname" written in sharpie?

I thought this too. I had DS 2.5 years ago, he's just got a flimsy plastic wristband too, with his name and hospital number on it. A friend has just had a baby three weeks ago with the same. Coincidentally, the memory box is currently out - there's nowhere for a chip or tag to be inserted, it's just flat flimsy plastic.

Look at the pictures upthread. You wouldn’t know it was there.

dottiedodah · 02/11/2024 14:56

This is a sad story really there are no "winners" here , Clare has had an unhappy childhood .When she should have had a birth family, who would have been able to provide properly ,and given her a decent upbringing.Jessica s left with the knowledge that her Mother and father are dead,she has a new mum who is getting older ,and they have missed more than 50 years together !

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/11/2024 14:59

My initial reaction was to feel sorry for Jessica however it sounds like Clare had a difficult childhood and Jessica benefitted from a loving, stable family. So perhaps sympathy should be extended all round. Everyone has paid the price for the hospitals incompetence.

Tangledramdram · 02/11/2024 15:06

Two 55 year old women, swapped at birth and both grow up in each others birth families.

One with stability and privilege and the other in abject poverty and chaos..

Yet we feel sorry for Jessica (mere speculation that she has been pushed out rather than thrown toys out of pram) over Claire who sounds like a positive soul that has embraced her birth family.

As per on here, so much adding up 2 plus 2 and getting 13.

User37482 · 02/11/2024 15:12

AmandaHoldensLips · 02/11/2024 10:39

I know this isn't the point and might sound ridiculous, but having had a couple of babies myself, I'm wondering how the mothers did not recognise that the baby handed to them was not theirs.

This is so tragic.

I only saw mine briefly before she was taken away as I needed to go to recovery and she went for screenings. So I can see how that can happen.

FabulousPharmacyst · 02/11/2024 15:23

Melroses · 02/11/2024 11:59

I wonder too about children born from donor insemination.

Before this was made more open, many were not told, and the donor was chosen to fit in with the husband's looks, ie dark or light haired etc. Their parents may no longer be alive to ask.

So if there is a shock DNA result in the family they may never know the reason.

Edited

There’s a brilliant podcast called You Look Like Me featuring stories from the donor conceived community. It’s very enlightening from the pov of people born through donor conception.

ilovesushi · 02/11/2024 15:24

Melroses · 02/11/2024 10:35

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0023syj/40-minutes-mixed-blessings

It probably happened a lot more than was admitted. This was an interesting documentary from the 1980s showing how two women and their families coped with knowing that their daughters had been swapped - yet not knowing because there was no proof available then.

What a brilliant documentary. Thank you for posting.

BeatsAntique · 02/11/2024 15:30

Mine had an ankle tag in the early 2000s. Like those ones they have for anti-theft purposes in shops. It looked massive on his teeny little ankle, had to keep it poked out of his little onesie!

DreamyDreamy · 02/11/2024 15:33

WhatsitWiggle · 02/11/2024 12:21

Another feeling for Jessica. I'm inferring from the article that she has moved away, given that Tony and Joan "travelled" to tell her the news. What a shock that must have been. And whilst Joan says Jessica will always be her daughter, she's embraced Claire - going on holiday together, spending Christmas together and they don't live too far apart. I guess Joan and Jessica's relationship wasn't all glitter and sparkle and Joan gets another go with a "new" daughter.

No mention of the other two sons/brothers, I wonder what they make of it.

Claire gets welcomed into a warm, loving family. Jessica doesn't have that - no biological siblings, biological mother dead, no mention of the father. And effectively replaced in the family she's known for 55 years.

This isn't "we've found a half sibling we didn't know about" or "the baby mum had to give up before meeting dad", both of which add to an existing family. It's "here's our proper sister", the original sister doesn't belong.

What about poor Claire who grew up in extreme poverty and lived until 55 with no family support when Jessica was living the comfortable childhood that should have bern hers??

GrumpyCactus · 02/11/2024 15:34

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 02/11/2024 14:52

Look at the pictures upthread. You wouldn’t know it was there.

Honestly there's absolutely no way my child's hospital bracelet has any form of chip or anything in it. It's a thing but of plastic exactly the same as the bands you get when admitted into hospital. Additionally we walked out of the hospital with it and triggered no alarms so it obviously doesn't contain any alarm.

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