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Help! I have a giant painting trapped in my house!

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steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 09:38

This will out me to anyone who knows me but...

I have a giant oil painting upstairs in my house (about 2m square) which I have to move as we're having some building work done in a couple of weeks. Only problem is, it won't fit down the stairs! Or into any of the other rooms on that floor. What the hell do I do? I love it and really don't want to damage it. I have been in touch with various art conservators/reframers etc but none of them have been able to help or even offer any advice.

Current plan is to take it off the frame (it's not framed under glass, just canvas stretched over wood) and then just bend it a little bit to get it downstairs but I'm really worried about the paint cracking 😫

Any ideas gratefully received!

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steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 11:18

AzureSheep · 27/09/2024 11:08

Sorry I have no suggestions, but I’m so invested in this now.

Also, would really love to know how you came by it, what’s its significance to you but totally understand you might not want to say!

I bought it from the local auction house, but I was bidding online and I didn't look at the measurements properly 😂I know it's not to everyone's taste but I love it!

My dad also loved it (and had it in his house for a while) and said he wanted first dibs on it if I ever got rid of it - sadly he died a couple of years ago but it means the painting has that sentimental association for me now as well.

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SoupDragon · 27/09/2024 11:18

steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 10:47

I wish it was a panda! That would be so much more fun...

You could try luring the painting out with some fresh bamboo and a lot of imagination...

steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 11:19

PirateJim · 27/09/2024 11:09

Former picture framer here - you should be able to release the canvas by remove the nails from where it's is attached to the inner wooden frame, then the canvas should have enough 'give' for you to get it downstairs without damaging it. Don't try to roll it up though, just in case the paint cracks. Then the frame could be carefully taken apart and reassembled. You could either use the old nails to reattach the canvas or staple it back on, or get a picture framer to do it for you. Good luck.

Thank you, this is what I was imagining I might have to try

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andthat · 27/09/2024 11:20

anxietyaardvark · 27/09/2024 11:12

Make a mocked up version out of cardboard to test if you can get it out without the bannister.

Such a good idea…

Pluvia · 27/09/2024 11:20

steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 09:59

We had some other building work done a couple of years ago that involved replacing the staircase and banisters from the ground floor and now it won't fit down the new staircase or around the banisters. DH won't hear of me removing the banisters (probably fair!)

If you're having major building works done then removing the bannister and replacing it again afterwards won't add much to the mayhem. No-brainer.

Alternatively hire a cherry picker and take it out of the window if the window's big enough. A handy person will be able to remove a sash if required, or take out an opening window.

AllThePotatoesAreSingingJingleBells · 27/09/2024 11:21

realalala · 27/09/2024 10:17

all I can think of is removing the canvas from the frame or stretcher, carefully rolling and storing it then restretching it later (probably a job for a professional). if it is in a frame it may require that to be rebuilt later.

Definitely don’t do this (I am a guild qualified framer). You need advice from a fine art conservationist, and many framers are experienced in this. You could contact a local framer, and ask them to come and assess it. I am not a qualified fine art conservationist but I know what not to do, and I wouldn’t touch this job as a qualified framer if you rolled it as it could cause damage not immediately visible.

@PirateJim makes sense if you are confident enough to do it yourself. I would be reluctant to DIY it if it’s so old and means so much to you. I fubard my first canvas and intentionally used a Temu canvas in case I made a mistake. Not massively so but I can see the mistake (although others say they can’t) and it ruins the picture for me.

MagicianMoth · 27/09/2024 11:23

steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 09:59

We had some other building work done a couple of years ago that involved replacing the staircase and banisters from the ground floor and now it won't fit down the new staircase or around the banisters. DH won't hear of me removing the banisters (probably fair!)

This is what happened to us with a sofa - when it was delivered, the downstairs flat was having work done and there was a hole in the wall, allowing it to be turned and manoeuvred up the stairs. Absolutely impossible to shift it when we moved. Had to lower it out of the window.

Also of course a scenario in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, but that involved time travel.

midlifeattheoasis · 27/09/2024 11:23

toomuchcardboard · 27/09/2024 10:13

Nail it to the ceiling temporarily, out of the way.

Genius!

helpfulperson · 27/09/2024 11:25

MagicianMoth · 27/09/2024 11:23

This is what happened to us with a sofa - when it was delivered, the downstairs flat was having work done and there was a hole in the wall, allowing it to be turned and manoeuvred up the stairs. Absolutely impossible to shift it when we moved. Had to lower it out of the window.

Also of course a scenario in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, but that involved time travel.

Dirk Gently was the first think that came to my mind too!

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 27/09/2024 11:26

SoupDragon · 27/09/2024 09:49

Pivot!

I agree with taking a window out. That's how they got my grandmother's piano out of the house when she moved to sheltered accommodation.

I am very impressed with taking a piano through a window! We had to lift our up steps and that was like something out of the Two Ronnies!

WitchyBits · 27/09/2024 11:27

In your shoes I would have a carpenter make a frame box from ply to cover the entire painting and add in some of those granule dehumidifiers. Seal the box and then wrap in it in thick pvc and duct tape to make it water tight. Tell your work men to work around it.

RedPalace · 27/09/2024 11:29

You know, sometimes I think "meh had enough of MN" and then you get a thread like this and I'm sucked back in. Just shamelessly place-marker as I'm hoping for ongoing updates including the actual move.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/09/2024 11:31

I do think your only option is to take it out of the frame. The canvas will be stretched and it may be possible to roll it very temporarily even if only to get it down the stairs. Is there anywhere you can get advice as to how best to do this, or to get a professional in to do it - may be worth it if you can afford it, as you obviously love the painting. Local gallery for advice, or even google to see if there are any local framing specialists who may be able to offer advice.

Couple of links that might be helpful;

https://www.carolineburdett.com/blog/how-to-disassemble-a-stretched-canvas-for-shipping-or-storage

https://www.thegrumble.com/threads/stretcher-bars-and-removing-canvas-for-storage.74169/

LookItsMeAgain · 27/09/2024 11:31

While some of you are getting images of Ross and "PIVOT!!!!",

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Rosscameasdoody · 27/09/2024 11:31

WitchyBits · 27/09/2024 11:27

In your shoes I would have a carpenter make a frame box from ply to cover the entire painting and add in some of those granule dehumidifiers. Seal the box and then wrap in it in thick pvc and duct tape to make it water tight. Tell your work men to work around it.

But OP has already said it needs to be taken downstairs as it won’t fit back on the wall when the work is done.

blobby10 · 27/09/2024 11:32

Can you drop it between the banisters? I've seen that done in a modern 3 storey townhouse with a headboard Grin

SoupDragon · 27/09/2024 11:32

MagicianMoth · 27/09/2024 11:23

This is what happened to us with a sofa - when it was delivered, the downstairs flat was having work done and there was a hole in the wall, allowing it to be turned and manoeuvred up the stairs. Absolutely impossible to shift it when we moved. Had to lower it out of the window.

Also of course a scenario in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, but that involved time travel.

And a fold up, portable door IIRC.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 27/09/2024 11:33

If you can walk it out the room then surely it could be on the wall of another room temporarily. You could even suspend it from the ceiling of another room surely?

Trethew · 27/09/2024 11:33

I’d love to see a picture of it

SoupDragon · 27/09/2024 11:33

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 27/09/2024 11:26

I am very impressed with taking a piano through a window! We had to lift our up steps and that was like something out of the Two Ronnies!

I believe it was specialist piano movers!

oakleaffy · 27/09/2024 11:36

steamedxmaspudding · 27/09/2024 10:36

OK, this is really going to out me 😂

Hard to take a good pic of the painting but this is it and the space it's hanging in!

I know it looks like it should be able to go into that room at the end but I promise you it won't, we have tried. It's too tall to go through the doorway except at an angle and the banister post gets in the way.

I should add -

  • DH hates the painting and would gladly see it chopped up and put in the bin so is not really on board with me demolishing parts of the house to get it out
  • Even if we managed to get the builders to work around it somehow, we're hoping to move house next year so I will have to get it downstairs at some point!
  • Taking down the banisters would basically mean dismantling the staircase so I'm not really sure that's an option at all, though I might ask the builders about it

You live in my house, OP!

Like a mirror image.

DogInATent · 27/09/2024 11:41

Trethew · 27/09/2024 11:33

I’d love to see a picture of it

There's a photo of part of it on page 2.

martinisforeveryone · 27/09/2024 11:44

Some thoughts.

I'd assume that involving art experts and framers would cost considerably more and have more element of risk to the painting than using the skills of builders who are already working on site.

I'd protect, wrap and seal it as previous posters have advised. I think it's wise to do that come what may.

Depending on the exact dimensions and the bits of the staircases that we can't see I'd ask for the easiest and cheapest solution from

making slings to suspend the whole package close to the ceiling going across the rising stairs, subject to the planned works and headroom on the staircase

removing the door we can see, or any other that's more appropriate, enlarging the entrance and then reinstating it once the other works were done and the painting was back in situ

removing the bannisters as the first ideas

TallulahBetty · 27/09/2024 11:45

PIVOT

SoupDragon · 27/09/2024 11:45

martinisforeveryone · 27/09/2024 11:44

Some thoughts.

I'd assume that involving art experts and framers would cost considerably more and have more element of risk to the painting than using the skills of builders who are already working on site.

I'd protect, wrap and seal it as previous posters have advised. I think it's wise to do that come what may.

Depending on the exact dimensions and the bits of the staircases that we can't see I'd ask for the easiest and cheapest solution from

making slings to suspend the whole package close to the ceiling going across the rising stairs, subject to the planned works and headroom on the staircase

removing the door we can see, or any other that's more appropriate, enlarging the entrance and then reinstating it once the other works were done and the painting was back in situ

removing the bannisters as the first ideas

The wall it is on will not be there any more. It has to go downstairs.