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Can a GP countersign a passport application ?

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mycatsbestfriend · 25/09/2024 22:23

I don't know anyone that can do this the only people I know are related to me. But I heard a doctor can't do it anymore is this true ? It's crazy I can't apply for a lot of jobs or have ID for so many things. I feel like I have a right to one and I can't get it. But I can pay tax, work, claim benefits just feels ridiculous. Someone told me I can just state I have no countersign and the application can still be processed but I asked the passport office and they said this isn't true

OP posts:
CherryValley5 · 25/09/2024 23:54

mycatsbestfriend · 25/09/2024 23:36

Oh. I don't have anything apart from my birth certificate

I’m fairly that if you have no photographic ID then you can book an in person appointment at the passport office where they verify you. Worth looking into.

mycatsbestfriend · 25/09/2024 23:57

CherryValley5 · 25/09/2024 23:54

I’m fairly that if you have no photographic ID then you can book an in person appointment at the passport office where they verify you. Worth looking into.

Yes, I've been told that but the passport office when I contacted them said I can't apply without a countersignature. I will try again, maybe that person was wrong

OP posts:
CherryValley5 · 25/09/2024 23:59

mycatsbestfriend · 25/09/2024 23:57

Yes, I've been told that but the passport office when I contacted them said I can't apply without a countersignature. I will try again, maybe that person was wrong

I believe that’s wrong, and for your (and others!) sake I certainly hope it is. ID is a luxury in this country which is just totally unacceptable in my opinion

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RosesAndHellebores · 26/09/2024 06:40

I agree and fully support an ID card system similar to European ones. Passports are so widely needed now for ID and right to work checks, it's wrong people should have to pay so much for them.

When the DC were at school, DH was asked regularly, he was always happy to if he had met the child.

crumblingschools · 26/09/2024 06:54

Remember that the person countersigning is saying that the photo is a true likeness, so if you are asking someone you haven’t seen for many years you might not look the same!

Ineffable23 · 26/09/2024 07:07

CherryValley5 · 25/09/2024 23:17

No. We got one to sign my DD’s Irish passport application (the Irish are much more specific as to who can sign and to be honest I just wanted to get it sorted quickly, hence we went to a notary)

I didn't think you could use a notary for countersignature of a UK passport?

It is ridiculous that there's no official route though, as another poster said, ID shouldn't be a luxury item!

TiredArse · 26/09/2024 07:22

mycatsbestfriend · 25/09/2024 23:18

Thank you so much for this, I will contact one and ask

I don’t think this is an option for a Uk one.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 26/09/2024 07:27

Hairdresser?

Often hairdressers are small business owners.

LIZS · 26/09/2024 07:45

Does your dc attend any clubs with professional coaches or teachers? Any counsellor or mh support worker? If you have no photo id how did you manage to vote , or do you not? Btw I don't recall needing to countersign a driving licence application,

IUsedToBe · 26/09/2024 07:53

I feel your pain OP, I’m currently in the same situation. I have various health problems which means I can’t travel so I don’t have a passport, but there have been so many occasions recently where I’ve been unable to do basic things like open a bank account, register with NHS online, access my pension details – all because I don’t have photo ID, i.e. a passport or driving licence. I have plenty of other ID, just nothing with my photo on. I don’t drive (and my health problems would prevent me from doing so), so a passport is my only option.

I’ve been almost housebound for 20 years, so all my ‘friends’ have gradually disappeared. Of the few neighbours I know, none of them works in any of the recognised professions who are allowed to countersign passport applications.
Of the people I occasionally have dealings with who ARE on the list of approved professions such as doctors, dentists, opticians, solicitors, local business owners, I only know them ‘professionally’ (I’ve used their services occasionally). A countersignatory is supposed to have known you as a friend, neighbour or colleague for at least 2 years, so technically they wouldn’t be allowed to countersign for me. Even if I asked, it would be a bit embarrassing having to ask someone I don’t really know for a favour, especially when they’re probably going to say no because I’d basically be asking them to lie to the government for me! I’ve also heard quite a few parents saying they had trouble getting their kids’ passports countersigned, because a lot of schools don’t allow their teaching staff to sign passport applications, unless they know the child/parent socially, outside of school.

One of the options on the list of approved countersignatories is ‘local government officer’. I looked up the definition of that, and it means anyone who works for and is paid by the local council, so they don’t necessarily need to be a ‘qualified professional’, they could be someone like a bin man, cleaner or library assistant. My husband works for the local council, but he can’t sign for me because we’re related by marriage. One of his colleagues knows me very slightly (I’ve said hello to her in the supermarket a couple of times!) but she can’t sign for me as she doesn’t have a passport of her own. So the only way we can think of for me to get a passport is if he asks someone at work who I’ve never met to sign for me - which is against the rules, but I don’t see that I have any other option.

It is ridiculous that people have to go through all this palaver to verify their ID (not to mention the expense, as a passport costs nearly £90) just to be able to access basic services. I hope you get yours sorted soon, OP!

SoupDragon · 26/09/2024 08:51

none of them works in any of the recognised professions who are allowed to countersign passport applications.

They can be ‘a person of good standing in their community’ they don't have to be on the list of approved professions.

For example, I once had a scout leader sign mine.

IUsedToBe · 26/09/2024 09:02

SoupDragon · 26/09/2024 08:51

none of them works in any of the recognised professions who are allowed to countersign passport applications.

They can be ‘a person of good standing in their community’ they don't have to be on the list of approved professions.

For example, I once had a scout leader sign mine.

I would have thought that anyone who isn't a convicted criminal could be classed as a 'person of good standing in the community', but I looked up the official meaning of it and found various websites discussing it, even one forum for legal professionals. They said it was a very vague statement which was open to interpretation, but the general consensus seemed to be that it meant a professional person or member of a professional body - so basically someone who would be on the list of accepted countersignatories.

I don't know any scout masters! 🙂

DappledThings · 26/09/2024 09:05

IUsedToBe · 26/09/2024 09:02

I would have thought that anyone who isn't a convicted criminal could be classed as a 'person of good standing in the community', but I looked up the official meaning of it and found various websites discussing it, even one forum for legal professionals. They said it was a very vague statement which was open to interpretation, but the general consensus seemed to be that it meant a professional person or member of a professional body - so basically someone who would be on the list of accepted countersignatories.

I don't know any scout masters! 🙂

Edited

It's deliberately vague and it means loads more people can sign than the OPs of these threads ever believe can. I've signed 4 or 5 now with no trouble. My job isn't on the list, and I'm not a member of a professional body. I just have a job working for a large organisation and my own passport.

Anisty · 26/09/2024 09:05

A gP will do it - but there's a charge for it

dementedpixie · 26/09/2024 09:08

Anisty · 26/09/2024 09:05

A gP will do it - but there's a charge for it

No they won't unless they know you personally rather than as your GP

IUsedToBe · 26/09/2024 09:09

Anisty · 26/09/2024 09:05

A gP will do it - but there's a charge for it

On the government's website it says a passport can't be signed by a doctor, 'unless they state that they know you well (for example they’re a good friend) and that they recognise you easily from your photo'.

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 09:15

Ineffable23 · 26/09/2024 07:07

I didn't think you could use a notary for countersignature of a UK passport?

It is ridiculous that there's no official route though, as another poster said, ID shouldn't be a luxury item!

Just checked, you definitely can.

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 09:17

LIZS · 26/09/2024 07:45

Does your dc attend any clubs with professional coaches or teachers? Any counsellor or mh support worker? If you have no photo id how did you manage to vote , or do you not? Btw I don't recall needing to countersign a driving licence application,

You do, unfortunately. Was a massive PITA trying to get DD’s provisional license application countersigned during Covid lockdown!!

GiantHornets · 26/09/2024 09:24

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 09:15

Just checked, you definitely can.

Can you give your source for this? I think it applies only to an application for an Irish passport.
How could a notary public possibly confirm your identity?

CurlewKate · 26/09/2024 09:30

Are there any parents at school who might help? I was the go-to form signer for a while....

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 09:31

GiantHornets · 26/09/2024 09:24

Can you give your source for this? I think it applies only to an application for an Irish passport.
How could a notary public possibly confirm your identity?

For British passports anyone who has worked in or retired from a recognised profession, along with being of good standing in the community can countersign. Notaries tick these boxes - ours was a recently retired solicitor. I have checked the website of the one that we used for DD’s Irish passport, and others - they all say that they are able to sign for British.

They verify your identity since you must bring along valid photographic ID to show them. I forgot this slight detail so it’s unlikely that this strategy will work for OP..!

Chemenger · 26/09/2024 09:34

Notaries can do it if they have known you for two years, just like any other professional. For Irish passports you can pay a notary to do it (I had my application notarised in the US by someone at my bank, I had never met them before).

nonnymussy · 26/09/2024 09:38

Are you in contact with anyone related to your sickness benefits?

They don't have to know you very well, or on a personal level, as has been said. They don't need to be a 'professional either, as has also been said.

I would ask your son's friend's mother, rather than search for the retired teacher. Explain (if you feel you need to) that you're on sick leave at the moment and don't have anyone from work to sign for you.

FrAway · 26/09/2024 09:38

They verify your identity since you must bring along valid photographic ID to show them. I forgot this slight detail so it’s unlikely that this strategy will work for OP..!

But the issue here is the person doesn't have photographic ID!
That's why it needs to be someone who knows them to verify they are who they say they are

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 09:39

FrAway · 26/09/2024 09:38

They verify your identity since you must bring along valid photographic ID to show them. I forgot this slight detail so it’s unlikely that this strategy will work for OP..!

But the issue here is the person doesn't have photographic ID!
That's why it needs to be someone who knows them to verify they are who they say they are

I know. If you read my post I did say that..!