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Maths help - LCM

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niadainud · 20/09/2024 19:07

Please could someone tell me how to approach this question?

The Lowest Common Multiple of x and 180 is 360. Find the smallest possible value of x.

Thank you.

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SeptemberIRememberALoveOnceNewHasNowGrownOld · 20/09/2024 21:38

I can’t work out how to send you a PM @niadainud . Suffice it to say that DH and I are quite well qualified in Maths, so if we got it wrong in our first tries it doesn’t make you a muppet or a doofus. It might mean we are, though.

SeptemberIRememberALoveOnceNewHasNowGrownOld · 20/09/2024 21:42

BBC bitesize has an explanation of HCF and LCM, It uses 24 and 180.

niadainud · 20/09/2024 21:48

SeptemberIRememberALoveOnceNewHasNowGrownOld · 20/09/2024 21:38

I can’t work out how to send you a PM @niadainud . Suffice it to say that DH and I are quite well qualified in Maths, so if we got it wrong in our first tries it doesn’t make you a muppet or a doofus. It might mean we are, though.

Ha! It's just rather frustrating being so inexpert at something when, as someone who took GCSEs several decades ago, I'm used to being a little more proficient/competent at what I'm doing.

Oh well, I'm sure it's all good exercise for the brain cells.

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Netcam · 20/09/2024 22:58

How about thinking about it like this?

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Netcam · 20/09/2024 23:26

Just adding, there's one more number under 8 that you could test for in the same way as my previous example. See if you can figure out what it could be and demonstrate with a venn diagram why it can't be x?

SeptemberIRememberALoveOnceNewHasNowGrownOld · 20/09/2024 23:48

I like that method, @Netcam .

NoProblems · 21/09/2024 21:09

The Lowest Common Multiple of x and 180 is 360. Find the smallest possible value of x.

So you want a number which is a factor of 360 but not of 180.

In other words a number you can divide 360 by without leaving a remainder, but dividing 180 with it will leave a remainder.

Start with the smallest factor of 360 and check if you can also divide 180 by it:

2, 3, 4, 5, 6 are factors of both 360 and 180.

But the next factor of 360, which is 8, is not a factor of 180.

Therefore the answer is 8.

If you continue in the same way:

9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20 are factors of both 360 and 180.

But the next factor of 360 which is 24 is not a factor of 180.

So if x was 24, the LCM would also be 360, but of course you want the lowest value of x, which is 8.

The highest possible value of x would be 360.

If x was 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 30, 45, 60, 90, or 180, the LCM would be 180 and not 360.

Sometimes an easy way of finding the LCM of 2 numbers can be to do the times table of the bigger number until you get a number which can be divided by the smaller number.

For example if you want to find the LCM of 12 and 15, consider the 15 times table: 15, 30, 45, 60.

15, 30, 45 cannot be divided by 12 but 60 can, so the LCM is 60.

Of course, the proper mathematical way is to first break down both 12 and 15 as products of their prime factors:

12 = 2 x 2 x 3

15 = 3 x 5

LCM = 2 x 2 x 3 x 5 = 60.

You only include 3 once because it is common for both 12 and 15.

The Highest Common Factor (HCF), the biggest number you can divide both 12 and 15 by would be 3 because that is the only common factor.

To find the HCF of 2 numbers, you multiply all the prime factors which are common.

NoProblems · 21/09/2024 21:11

I had used paragraph breaks but Mumsnet ignores them!

NoProblems · 21/09/2024 21:14

The Lowest Common Multiple of x and 180 is 360. Find the smallest possible value of x.

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So you want a number which is a factor of 360 but not of 180.

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In other words a number you can divide 360 by without leaving a remainder, but dividing 180 with it will leave a remainder.

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Start with the smallest factor of 360 and check if you can also divide 180 by it:

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2, 3, 4, 5, 6 are factors of both 360 and 180.

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But the next factor of 360 which is 8 is not a factor of 180.

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Therefore the answer is 8.

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If you continue in the same way:

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9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20 are factors of both 360 and 180.

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But the next factor of 360 which is 24 is not a factor of 180.

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So if x was 24, the LCM would also be 360, but of course you want the lowest value of x, which is 8.

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The highest possible value of x would be 360.

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If x was 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 30, 45, 60, 90, or 180, the LCM would be 180 and not 360.

.

Sometimes an easy way of finding the LCM of 2 numbers can be to do the times table of the bigger number until you get a number which can be divided by the smaller number.

.

For example if you want to find the LCM of 12 and 15, consider the 15 times table: 15, 30, 45, 60.

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15, 30, 45 cannot be divided by 12 but 60 can, so the LCM is 60.

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Of course, the proper mathematical way is to first break down both 12 and 15 as products of their prime factors:

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12 = 2 x 2 x 3

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15 = 3 x 5

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LCM = 2 x 2 x 3 x 5 = 60.

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You only include 3 once because it is common for both 12 and 15.

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The Highest Common Factor (HCF), the biggest number you can divide both 12 and 15 by would be 3 because that is the only common factor.

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To find the HCF of 2 numbers, you multiply all the prime factors which are common.

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