A dumb question but I'll ask anyway (TW: Huw Edwards, child SA)

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How come Huw Edwards wasn't charged for each image? He had 41 (iirc) child SA images yet didn't face 41 charges. There is a reason for that presumably but can any legal minds explain why? Does it not make any material difference?

If possible, I'd prefer to focus on the above question rather than his sentencing. I say this because I know emotions run high.

Can you stop calling me names such as "asshole" "ignorant" "shit stirring" "troll" "idiot".

I had an opinion. Believing 7 years for sprouting ignorant shitty opinions online by some uneducated person Vs paedophilia related offences by a person in a position of power
/Trust and we don't lock up the latter.

Using the names you've called me to shout down my opinion and that being allowed is dismaying. Shows where we're at really. Carry on as you are.

The guy that advised on the original hate crime laws that have evolved into these astounding laws that get people locked up for the merest dissent, is Keir Starmer.

This is his big plan.

You're absolutely entitled to your views about the sentencing, and nobody is suggesting otherwise. That doesn't change the fact that your post showed a shocking level of ignorance about how our legal and political systems interact.

I accept your opinion as it's written respectfully (thankyou)

It's very intimidating to be called a variety of awful names, implying I'm stupid and even mentally ill. That's damn right offensive and in my opinion : bullying. For offering my opinion and perspective. That's really not decent human behaviour.

I think the thing is on MN is that people don't really have much of a filter like they do in real life, so they just say what they think and forget that a real person is on the other end. I know that I'm guilty of this sometimes when I read something that really irritates me. I'm not proud of it because I don't actually want to upset anyone.

I'm sorry that you've been upset by the thread. Maybe just hide it for now? Or if it isn't too painful, maybe take the time to understand why people reacted to your post as they did - it really wasn't just in response to your opinions on the sentencing.

He working in prosecution. He wasn’t a judge and never therefore never sentenced anyone.

Which original hate crime laws do you mean?

Ok, thankyou. I appreciate your honesty and well thought out response. I perhaps could have picked a less controversial comparison point, agreed.

I'm glad Mumsnet have taken down the posts calling me offensive names. We really shouldn't get to that point and silence other views with abusive comments. I do feel silenced now if I'm being honest. But will hide this thread as you've suggested - thankyou. Have a nice afternoon 😊

Yes @Halloumiheaven
I'm afraid inciting mass-murder on innocent people motivated by racism is a criminal offence and a serious one too which attracts jail-time thank god.

HE is a piece of shit, I'd happily see him in jail. A 'suspended' sentence is meaningless, but he has been found guilty and hopefully his life as he knew it is destroyed. He is also on the SO register for life, which is one thing I think our justice system has right.
The unfairness of the justice system (UK & worldwide) to punish those who commit sexual offences and crimes against women and children is a shame on our society, I hope one day this will change, but I can't see any evidence of that.

But this doesn't change what the woman did, inciting murder and violence in an already very volatile situation in which citizens and police, emergency workers were already being injured, was absolutely unacceptable, reckless and beyond stupid. She will probably be a poster girl for the right wing nutters, but to the rest of us she is scum. I'm embarrassed for her, but hopefully she will learn a lesson and maybe even have support to realise how twisted her world view is and maybe she should reflect on how she's ended up where she has.

@Halloumiheaven so it's intimidating to be called thick/nuts on Mumsnet, but not intimidating to be holed up in a hotel in fear of your life because people online are inciting your murder and that the building you are unable to leave (because of a baying mob) should be set on fire?

Honestly, you confuse me.

If what she did caused the riots, then what he did caused a child to be sexually assaulted.

If we can have strict laws and custodial sentences on any crimes, then child abuse should be included in that.

He is also on the SO register for life, which is one thing I think our justice system has right

I read that he would be on the SO register for seven years? Is that wrong? Is it actually life? I'm confused now.

No, I called you a loon. I didn't question your intelligence.

Would you like me to take a guess?

Hate Crime laws have not "evolved" recently, and the people you are talking about were arrested under anti-terrorism and public order legislation.

Try again.

He knows stuff about people. Bbc is a network of paedos

How precisely is inciting people to kill and maim immigrants less serious than what Edwards was convicted of?

We're all for educating people and realising their disadvantages in intellect and wealth may at fault for how they act and behave in certain circumstances, but if that effects a left wing protected group - send em to jail for 7 years ! That woman posted no credible threat to society. She needs educating.

This is bizarre. We know this woman and others like her posed a credible threat to society, because we saw the results. Since when were the hotel employees terrified for their lives because their building was being set on fire "a left wing protected group"? Since when were Moslem clerics innocently going about their normal work undeserving of protection from baying mobs hurling bricks?

They are both terrible and wrong, but come on! People have said they would like to kill and hurt people like me. I did not like it and would have been delighted if they had been sent to jail but I don’t think it is as bad as being sexually abused as a child, photographed and then having those pictures sold for men to enjoy. I think that is worse, but you don’t and that is your view. I just hope you agree that they are both really bad.

Racially motivated Incitement to commit mass murder under the circumstances was considered worthy of a custodial sentence.

As to the details of Edward’s sentencing, they can be found here:

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/EDWARDS-SENTENCE-REMARKS-FINAL.pdf