Do you think ds has a point?

[DreamHolidays]

Away in holiday with ds (22yo) in the Alps.

He wants to do a walk/run in the mountains.
We talk about how to get organised around it. The weather isn’t what he (and I!!) expected. It’s much colder with rain/snow above 2000m.
ds hasn’t planned fir that so has equipment fir summer (shorts, very light jacket) but not for more challenging conditions.

Whilst talking I said to him I didn’t think shorts and waterproof trousers would be enough and we’d need to go and buy some trousers at least. Hat and gloved would be good too.
Also pointed out that doing that sort of run as a group isn’t the same than on his own.

I acknowledged his change of plans to take the change in weather/potential snow into account was great (and yes I do think the new plan is a much better one)

Ds then told me i simply wasn’t trusting him. That he knew what he was doing. And I was just over the top. At that point, I has said taking a survival blanket would be a good idea…..

Was I really overbearing or not trusting he knows what he is doing?

Experienced hillwalking family here. Lake District is favourite stomping ground.

Even in the middle of summer with a glowing forecast, we would not set foot on a hillwalk/run without packing overtrousers, fleece, beanie, gloves and bivvibag alongside the sunhat and sunscreen.

The only exception would be if dh was running a marshalled course.

No YANBU.

Does he know where he's going??

Sounds like DS is wrong tbh

Same here. And a proper map and compass, and emergency food.
People die every year on the hills! And the weather on the tops can change instantly.

Map and compass sorted as well as emergency food . That’s not an issue.

Tbh he has done a lot of fell running and has some experience re snow (both in the Lakes and the Peak District in particular)
And I trust that once on the ground he’ll be sensible

But I did find it annoying to be told ‘im not trusting him’.
And to have my concern from my own experience of the Alps dismissed (which he doesn’t have - I do think the Lakes and the Alps over 2500m is just a different ballpark).

But, I’m now disabled. Ds has never seen me involved in that sort of activity. I think HE doesn’t trust me on those subjects.

My son didn't listen and he had to be air lifted of Ben nevis .only then did he acknowledge he made a big mistake.luckily it had a good ending and since then he does his homework and listens when others offer help,suggestions.

If he fell walks he should know better than to go the hills not properly prepared.

The weather can change and he's not local so doesn't have the experience. Even if he does accidents can happen.

Yep.
Its like he is still in that phase where he feels invincible too.

@Trainham thank god your dc was ok.

He sounds inexperienced, unprepared and naive. It's already snowing up there... The weather in the mountains can turn fairly quickly. He needs thermal fleece and a decent jacket, waterproof, possibly a hat. Also if the clouds descend it can get fairly tricky to orientate with compass and map alone, I would recommend using a hiking app, there's a good french app for hiking/biking etc - visorando, he can get info how to use in in online chatrooms etc ( once the trail is chosen and started no need for internet, just GPS turned on and can search for trails around his location). Hope it all goes ok and he enjoys the mountain.

He's not capable of thinking about outcomes. Idiot. Hope you get through to him op

Typical young person 'it wont happen to me' thinking.

Experienced fell walker here. He absolutely needs to take waterproofs, warm layers, and emergency supplies. Look at all the high profile walkers who have died in Europe this summer going off not being prepared for the extremes (Michael Mosley, etc).

I know absolutely fuck all about walking on mountains and even I know you need to prepare for the worst eventuality or there's a good chance you'll come a cropper!

He's an idiot if he doesn't prepare properly. Hopefully he listens to you.

Yep.
And one that thinks it’s ok to play the ‘you just dont trust me’ line when faced with a gentle reality check.

I was hurt when he said that .
Now Im Getting annoyed tbh.