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Do I need to lower my expectations of the school with SEN child?

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Doyounow · 13/09/2024 11:42

DS turned 4 last month and whilst he has no diagnosis, I’m coming to terms with the fact he likely has ASD. He isn’t what I would call non-verbal in the sense he does have a fairly wide vocabulary but he is selective in when he uses it. Everything is very much on his terms so if he wants to answer your question or tell you what something is when you ask, he will but if he isn’t motivated to or interested in it then forget it. He can label lots of items, say the alphabet, count to 20, finish off words to songs, read a few words in books but his communicative language isn’t quite there. He won’t tell me how his day has been or what he has done at school so I rely on the staff to inform me of this.

We are under the NHS SALT team and have been for a year but haven’t seen much progress so are looking into private help. They gave us communication boards which he used for a few weeks but lost interest and now refuses to acknowledge them. The SLT we have seen believes his communication skills are excellent but that he has realised he can communicate very effectively without language so doesn’t feel motivated to use it. He is very independent so his first port of call will be to do something himself and if he gets stuck, he will lead us by the hand and point to whatever he is stuck with or pass us the object.

Other than speech delay, we have very few issues. He has actually never had a tantrum which thinking about it may be odd but he is a calm and quiet boy, doesn’t kick up a fuss. He enjoys reading books, playing on the Nintendo switch with his older brother, playing on the trampoline and on his scooter and playing with Lego. All usual stuff.

He started reception this week. He was in a private nursery 3 full days (8-6) whilst I was at work prior to this so not like he has jumped from being at home to school, he has experience of an educational setting. I don’t know if I am expecting too much here so looking for advice.

Due to DS not being able to tell me what he has done or how his day was, I have asked the teacher or TAs each day but they haven’t been able to tell me much. They all just sort of say ‘if there was a problem, it would be written down at the main door so they’d tell you as you were passing by’ and that they’re floating around all day so haven’t spent much time with DS specifically… So I have absolutely no idea what he’s doing all day.

I also don’t know whether he has eaten his lunch. He is a fussy eater so I was given the school menu and I highlighted the meals I thought he would eat each day so they knew. I don’t know how much he has eaten but do know that when he returns home, he is ravenous and eats essentially a full meal so I gather he isn’t eating much. I need to know if he is eating any school dinner because if not, I will provide a packed lunch.

On top of this, I have been handed a ‘care plan’ this morning which I didn’t look at until I got home. When they said care plan, I thought it would be how they were helping him with his speech or development because I had this at his previous nursery. I was rather shocked and taken aback to read that it’s all to do with toileting which just makes no sense to me. They say he needs wipes and spare clothes and it goes into details about how his main goal is to sit on the toilet until his soiled clothes have been changed. He hasn’t had an accident all week and indeed, hasn’t had an accident since he started toilet training over a year ago now. He would rather hold his pee in all day than pee himself, he honestly has no issue with going to the toilet whatsoever so I have absolutely no idea why I have been handed this.

I will be speaking to them today at pick up but I’m starting to get concerned that they are lumping him in a SEN shaped box and because he likely has SEN, they have handed me that form today because they just naturally expect any child with SEN soils themselves? I don’t know, I just thought it was odd because if he has been shown where the toilet is, he will just take himself when he needs to go and certainly doesn’t have accidents.

Am I expecting too much from them or being difficult? This is all new to me because DC1 is completely NT and I never had a problem with the reception staff when he was in reception last year as a result.

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planAplanB · 13/09/2024 16:00

Doyounow · 13/09/2024 12:50

Thanks for the advice. I will be having a conversation about the care plan because it’s irrelevant for him and I’ll also ask about whether he needs any further support.

As I say, I don’t expect a full on report of his day by any means but because he can’t or won’t tell me about his day, I rely on them to fill in the gaps. Other children who communicate through language can tell their parents at least snippets of their day or they can say they are happy, had a good day etc but DS doesn’t so I have absolutely no idea.

In my experience most children grunt, shrug or similar when asked how they say was and what they did... from aged 4 to 14...!! That's kids. They are exhausted from following the school rules all day.

planAplanB · 13/09/2024 16:01

*how their DAY was

Depressedbarbie · 13/09/2024 17:49

Doyounow · 13/09/2024 12:50

Thanks for the advice. I will be having a conversation about the care plan because it’s irrelevant for him and I’ll also ask about whether he needs any further support.

As I say, I don’t expect a full on report of his day by any means but because he can’t or won’t tell me about his day, I rely on them to fill in the gaps. Other children who communicate through language can tell their parents at least snippets of their day or they can say they are happy, had a good day etc but DS doesn’t so I have absolutely no idea.

I'm afraid that's totally unrealistic. Just trying to get each kid safely to their adult, and communicate any essentials e.g. accidents or serious incidents is hard enough. If he needs this level of support, then you need to be having separate conversations about getting him on the send register, maybe getting ehcp in place etc. So meet with the class teacher, ans possibly then with senco too. As I said earlier, details about what's happening in school.are sent via app or newsletter as a genetic 'this is what we're doing in class'.

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Depressedbarbie · 13/09/2024 18:00

My point really is that you can't expect this without specific support and plans having been put in place through the teacher and senco. And if they haven't identified the need for it, then you need to have a meeting with them to put your point across that you feel there is a need.

Noras · 14/09/2024 08:23

I think that unless you have an EHCP you won’t get the detailed attention you were expecting. Even then, you have to identify higher needs to get above universal care.

My advice would be to start the process for an EHCP as these things take some time. Also ask the SALT team to review him in a school setting and make suggestions. You can ask the SALT team for percentiles eg expressive / receptive / semantic etc. That means that an Ed Psych will see him.

Looking ahead if he is not talking but indicating his wishes with expressions that’s not much use when participating fully in class. If a teacher asks a question will he participate by answering? Is he joining in with the other kids and playing/ talking with them.

An EHCP could make provision for small social group - not more than say 6 kids for 45 minutes per week to learn to socialise / talk together.

Also someone to support him to fully participate in class. If he’s not talking he’s not fully participating is he!

Also someone to help facilitate him join in at lunchtime. I assume that he’s not actively talking to other kids?

Also he might need Cognitive Behavioural therapy to encourage him to talk or ABA training.

Lego and trampoline are things often loved by people with ASD - trampolines for the vestibular? feed back and Lego for the ordered certainty. These were 2 things my son loved.

To be clear, my son has a fantastic individual word count language. However he struggles with working memory that impacts expressive ( false starts ) and receptive - carrying instructions. Semantic and pragmatic tells you how they contextualise language.

You really need to know if this is ASD or selective mutism. They are different I believe. So get a referral for an ASD diagnosis and also get SALT out again.
Ask. SALT for all the test results as percentiles. Not talking is not normal behaviour so they need to be a bit more precise - is this selective mutism/ language delay/ language disorder or ASD.

It might be the case that he is NT and just not really bothered with talking but at least you know. As things stand, if he is not participating fully and accessing education he will miss out. The mere process of talking / answering a question is educational.

Noras · 14/09/2024 08:31

To help my son talk she. He came out of school we played a game. As it was he had guinea pigs and we played a game called the guinea pig hotel. One of us was the hotel owner and the other was the unhappy guinea pigs explaining how the hotel was a complete disappointment to them. Over time these guinea pigs had the most amazing adventures and as they did my son progressed his language skills in a fun complex.

Language has to be about fun and games eg play super secret spy. The aim ks to get a secret message to a colleague. So one kid has the message - has to run t9 deliver it to his brother who then has to deliver it to the other parent. ( We played thst more in the swimming pool). The aim was to practice memory and language with a physical activity thrown in.

Look up language games and turn speaking into a fun event.

I never never asked DS what he did and and how his day was because I learnt rapidly that was never a good thing - he was tired from the day. He would tell he eventually usually after an hour or so especially if things upset him. If I asked him as he left school he would go into disordered behaviour etc.

Noras · 14/09/2024 08:33

Also look at play therapy

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