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To find this new school rule ridiculous?

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Wherearethebees · 09/09/2024 15:19

My children have returned back to school with a new rule in place that each child is only ‘allowed’ 5 days of sickness per school year. Any other sickness will be unauthorised leading to a fine.
Several families received letters that their children had X amount of days sickness last school year and this is their warning to not repeat it. I received one as my eldest needed an a&e visit in June which resulted in a week off school, (as well as several days through the school year for a chest infection and separate ear infection) I kept them updated and provided proof.
Apparently it doesn’t come under their invisible list of which illnesses are acceptable to have during these 5 days.
I understand that it may be to avoid children missing school as they just can’t be bothered to go in, term time holidays which have doubled recently in this school and fake illnesses so they can have a day at home, but there are children who are genuinely unwell and can’t plan ahead for this or foresee when they will be unwell, particularly in winter when there are all sorts going around.
My youngest for example has had 3 awful colds this year from nursery, enough to be floored and unable to play or eat much for a few days, so basically I would be fined for keeping my child home to recover if this was a universal rule. It’s not like I want to have time off work and lose pay, as well as lose money to the fine, so what do they think they are achieving?
This will cause a spike in children being sent to school unwell spreading illnesses and causing even more children (and even teachers and other staff) to be unwell.
Does anyone else have this rule at their school? Is it really enforceable?

OP posts:
Blueberry911 · 09/09/2024 19:36

Please use your voice for all the disabled children who cannot use theirs yet 🩷

JanFebAndOnwards · 09/09/2024 19:38

OP could you share the actual letter (obvs with identifying details removed)?

LlynTegid · 09/09/2024 19:39

Find a parent who is a solicitor and I am sure the appropriate response could be sent. Or the good response by a surgery.

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badgerpatrol · 09/09/2024 19:40

Vabenejulio · 09/09/2024 16:00

Are you sure you haven't missed a bit about how a doctor's note to prove sickness exempts you? That this is just self-declared "sickness"?

Are you really going to try and get a doctor to give a sick note for a kids who's got the shits?
Good luck.

CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind · 09/09/2024 19:40

I totally agree that the policy is ridiculous and unlawful. However, I can see why they think it needs to go along with the fines for holidays. I've heard parents say that they will now phone in and say their child has d&v etc when they are actually on holiday

ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 09/09/2024 19:48

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 15:37

It was the government not individual schools. Same with the push on attendance now. It's the government.

It doesn't matter if it's the school or the government, the principal applies.

bergamotorange · 09/09/2024 19:48

CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind · 09/09/2024 19:40

I totally agree that the policy is ridiculous and unlawful. However, I can see why they think it needs to go along with the fines for holidays. I've heard parents say that they will now phone in and say their child has d&v etc when they are actually on holiday

This was the problem with the stupid fines policy.

You can't control behaviour without huge effort and cost.

Now schools are trying themselves in knots trying to enforce this without much impact.

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:49

EarthlyNightshade · 09/09/2024 19:33

Does your work limit you to 5 days in a year?
I've never heard of a policy like that.

We get warnings or disciplinaires for more than 3 separate absences, or absence longer than 5 days. Don't think it's that unusual.

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:51

LuckysDadsHat · 09/09/2024 19:24

Then target those parents and not everyone!

We do. But you have to tell everyone a new policy to be fair.

They're targeted via this policy.

Rewis · 09/09/2024 19:53

The school world is becoming more and more messed up. These school rule threads are insane. There is something wrong with the system and they're making ridiculous rules to make up for lack of strategy and competence. Like at work places the shit managers are micromanagers since they have no management skills.

Ellie56 · 09/09/2024 20:00

Pretty sure this is unlawful.

bergamotorange · 09/09/2024 20:02

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:49

We get warnings or disciplinaires for more than 3 separate absences, or absence longer than 5 days. Don't think it's that unusual.

Work is not school.

Kids are not adults.

( Stating the obvious, but what the hell)

Edited to add: pupils are not employees.

Beth216 · 09/09/2024 20:07

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:49

We get warnings or disciplinaires for more than 3 separate absences, or absence longer than 5 days. Don't think it's that unusual.

Wow that is shocking, DH had 3 weeks off with Swine flu back when that was around, are you saying he'd get a disciplinary for that? I appreciate you might need a doctors note for a long absence (he didn't because his company are reasonable) - but a warning or disciplinary? I wouldn't expect that anywhere but a shitty call centre that doesn't give a shit about it's people.

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 20:26

Beth216 · 09/09/2024 20:07

Wow that is shocking, DH had 3 weeks off with Swine flu back when that was around, are you saying he'd get a disciplinary for that? I appreciate you might need a doctors note for a long absence (he didn't because his company are reasonable) - but a warning or disciplinary? I wouldn't expect that anywhere but a shitty call centre that doesn't give a shit about it's people.

I'm a teacher in a shitty academy trust....

Some of you have no idea the pressure schools and their staff are under. This doesn't come from us.

lavenderlou · 09/09/2024 20:49

I got a letter from the EWO last year about 11 year old DD saying any future absence woukd be unauthorised as she had missed two weeks of school. This was because she had open abdominal surgery and needed two weeks to recover. I provided all medical evidence. I sent them a snotty letter, which I'm sure they ignored, and kept her off a couple more times when she was unwell without hearing any more.

If there is a genuine medical reason for absence, there won't be any comeback.

Ineffable23 · 09/09/2024 20:56

spiderplant56 · 09/09/2024 18:40

This is all to do with the new attendance rules. Schools are being heavily pushed to up attendance.

Headaches, period pain, colds will not be authorised. No if no buts.

If your child has a diagnosed condition then illness caused by that condition will be authorised. If your child has chicken pox that will be authorised. Same with measles etc
There are published NHS guidelines.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the parents who cant be bothered to send their kids in everyday. Or get them to school on time! Yes there are some extenuating circumstances in some cases but the vast majority are just taking the piss!

Do the regulations actually say that?

When my periods were bad as a teenager I was flooding through a supermax tampon in 20 minutes. It got to the point where if the doctors hadn't put me on the pill to stop them I would have bled to death if they'd carried on. The pain was also co-codamol + ibuprofen worthy. I highly doubt any school would have wanted me in in that state, never mind whether or not I was fit to go.

IWasHittingMyMarks · 09/09/2024 21:22

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:16

Photo of prescribed medicine usually. Appointment card, screenshot of appointment with docs.

I know not everyone can get all of these, but most can get one.

No, 'most' can most certainly not get one for routine illness.

We can't even get through on the GP phone lines in the morning before all the on the day appointments are gone ... not that routine children's illness should be using up an emergency appoinment!

Foxxo · 09/09/2024 23:24

i found this for parents of kids with disabilities/medical conditions on the rules for schools. might be of some use.

Supporting pupils at school with medical conditions (publishing.service.gov.uk)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5ce6a72e40f0b620a103bd53/supporting-pupils-at-school-with-medical-conditions.pdf

Foxxo · 09/09/2024 23:35

i once had a shitty letter from the AO about my sons low attendance, problem was, 3/4 of his time off was because he was suspended (autism, behaviour related, it was dealt with) and i sent them a snotty letter back saying that his lack of attendance wasn't my fault and if they wanted it resolved, they should refer themselves to the head teacher who kept suspending him in contravention of the equality act and LA send guidance.

i got an apology and they coded the dates properly.

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