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To find this new school rule ridiculous?

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Wherearethebees · 09/09/2024 15:19

My children have returned back to school with a new rule in place that each child is only ‘allowed’ 5 days of sickness per school year. Any other sickness will be unauthorised leading to a fine.
Several families received letters that their children had X amount of days sickness last school year and this is their warning to not repeat it. I received one as my eldest needed an a&e visit in June which resulted in a week off school, (as well as several days through the school year for a chest infection and separate ear infection) I kept them updated and provided proof.
Apparently it doesn’t come under their invisible list of which illnesses are acceptable to have during these 5 days.
I understand that it may be to avoid children missing school as they just can’t be bothered to go in, term time holidays which have doubled recently in this school and fake illnesses so they can have a day at home, but there are children who are genuinely unwell and can’t plan ahead for this or foresee when they will be unwell, particularly in winter when there are all sorts going around.
My youngest for example has had 3 awful colds this year from nursery, enough to be floored and unable to play or eat much for a few days, so basically I would be fined for keeping my child home to recover if this was a universal rule. It’s not like I want to have time off work and lose pay, as well as lose money to the fine, so what do they think they are achieving?
This will cause a spike in children being sent to school unwell spreading illnesses and causing even more children (and even teachers and other staff) to be unwell.
Does anyone else have this rule at their school? Is it really enforceable?

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TeamPolin · 09/09/2024 18:14

So if a kid has their appendix out and is off for a fortnight then you get a fine? Seriously?

Firstly, I doubt, a school could enforce this. Secondly, agree with a previous poster. Contact Chair of Governors and complain. Absolutely insane!

queenofthewild · 09/09/2024 18:21

Madness!

DS is blessed with good health and regularly has 100% attendance.

Last year he ended up with long covid and missed loads of school (and was sent home a couple of times when he couldn't manage the whole day). You can't give a sickness quota. Dons kids get ill. Some don't. But you certainly don't want the ill ones infecting the others.

Ohfuckrucksack · 09/09/2024 18:39

This is illegal, unenforceable, discriminatory against children with chronic illnesses and disabilities and an all round terrible idea.

If this comes to my school I will be sending them the details from here:

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spiderplant56 · 09/09/2024 18:40

This is all to do with the new attendance rules. Schools are being heavily pushed to up attendance.

Headaches, period pain, colds will not be authorised. No if no buts.

If your child has a diagnosed condition then illness caused by that condition will be authorised. If your child has chicken pox that will be authorised. Same with measles etc
There are published NHS guidelines.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the parents who cant be bothered to send their kids in everyday. Or get them to school on time! Yes there are some extenuating circumstances in some cases but the vast majority are just taking the piss!

PlantDoctor · 09/09/2024 18:40

NewtonsCradle · 09/09/2024 15:28

Write a letter of complaint to the school governors and point out that this new and unenforceable policy endangers the health of the pupils.

I would do this too. Unacceptable that people are being made to feel guilty when their child is ill.

Ohfuckrucksack · 09/09/2024 18:40

This is illegal, unenforceable, discriminatory against children with chronic illnesses and disabilities and an all round terrible idea.

If this comes to my school I will be sending them the details from here: https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/school-attendance-and-absence/

You get what you tolerate. If you don't push back against this, it will not only harm your child, because they will be exposed to more illnesses, it will harm other children who are chronically ill and disabled.

School attendance and absence - childlawadvice.org.uk

This page provides information about the law on school attendance and the powers of the local authority in enforcing school attendance.

https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/school-attendance-and-absence

Ineffable23 · 09/09/2024 18:43

ARichtGoodDram · 09/09/2024 16:36

The head of a local secondary tried to implement a policy a while back that all sickness absences had to be signed off by a doctor.

The local GP practice sent him their private pricing structure and asked how he wanted the account to set up as unnecessary appointments and notes are not NHS time.

The policy was quickly shelved

This is a pleasing response to this type of absurdity.

Mulhollandmagoo · 09/09/2024 18:47

EternallyIrked · 09/09/2024 15:35

The schools lost any credence for instilling attendance boundaries when they lobbed all the kids into "e-learning" during Covid.
If the authorities can decide that F2F learning isn't vital when it suits them (Covid, RAAC, strikes etc) I'll damn well decide when it's appropriate for my kids to be in school when they're unwell.

I absolutely believe that attendance has taken a hit in the last 4+ years.
Change is needed but threatening parents and children is not the way to do it. The authorities made this bed themselves and now they need to lie in it.

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 09/09/2024 18:52

Oldraver · 09/09/2024 16:31

In reception half of DS's class went down with CP. We were all dragged into the head and asked to explain what we were going to do to prevent further absences. I told her she was being ridiculous and do I bring a spotty child in next time

I know she was under orders from higher up but jeez

That's just a complete lack of common sense. I've never read anything so stupid.

thursdaymurderclub · 09/09/2024 18:56

can we see the actual letter? i'd be interested in the wording? mainly because as working adults, its normally 9 absences due to sickness allowed in any year, and as we all know, children get sick many more times than adults do.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 09/09/2024 19:05

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 15:33

Calm down.

Absence with medical proof won't go down unauthorised.

This is to put off Fred who has every other Friday off "sick".

And how does a parent obtain this "medical proof"?

LuckysDadsHat · 09/09/2024 19:12

My daughter had 12 days off last year for 3 incidences of sickness. Like fuck I would be paying a fine, and I would be billing the school for the drs note that we would be getting charged for.

All 3 incidences were serious enough to be off school covid, burst ear drum and a kidney infection that necessitated hospital iv antibiotics.

This why kids mental health is through the floor, with sickness fines, draconian uniform policies and all the other pointless shit parents and kids are having to deal with.

I support our school fully, but if this policy was brought in I would be kicking up merry hell with SLT and Governors.

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:16

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 09/09/2024 19:05

And how does a parent obtain this "medical proof"?

Photo of prescribed medicine usually. Appointment card, screenshot of appointment with docs.

I know not everyone can get all of these, but most can get one.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 09/09/2024 19:19

I've just found this, which is clear that it is not talking about authorised absences (which include absences for ill health, with no defined length of time) requiring to be fined. As others have said, this is separate from schools' attendance records.
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/08/19/fines-for-parents-for-taking-children-out-of-school-what-you-need-to-know/
It sounds as if some schools are deliberately conflating the rules on fines for unauthorised absences with those on authorised absences for sickness.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66bf300da44f1c4c23e5bd1b/Working_together_to_improve_school_attendance_-_August_2024.pdf - starting from page 86, it mentions "Code I: Illness (not medical or dental appointment)", which people were asking about above.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66bf300da44f1c4c23e5bd1b/Working_together_to_improve_school_attendance_-_August_2024.pdf

LuckysDadsHat · 09/09/2024 19:19

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:16

Photo of prescribed medicine usually. Appointment card, screenshot of appointment with docs.

I know not everyone can get all of these, but most can get one.

And if it's a stomach bug, chicken pox, hand foot and mouth etc..... which don't require any medication usually what do you do then?

I would be the petty bitch and send them in covered in spots and see what the school say then. Send then in with a sick bowl and say just following your rules etc...... parents need to rise up against this madness!

bergamotorange · 09/09/2024 19:21

Iamawomandontcallmeanythingelse · 09/09/2024 15:49

Is a policy like this legal?

I don't see how it can be. If someone is ill, they are ill. A school can't have a policy on this, only a case-by-case approach can be legal.

GoldenPineapple15 · 09/09/2024 19:22

This is madness . My Ds 8 was sent home today for being sick and must be off tomorrow in accordance to the school policy . Half his sick days would be used up !!! I am a secondary school teacher and know the importance of attendance, but when a child is sick they are sick .

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:22

Very unlikely any of those lasts longer than 5 days.

The policy is clearly heavy handed. However there are parents who keep kids off for every sniffle and have "illnesses" surprisingly often. My child was off for 7 days last year with chicken pox and another illness. But I'm not overly bothered about it being unauthorised. Because really, they won't fine. I had photographs of spots, so if they tried to fine, they wouldn't win.

I don't think some of you realise quite how often some kids are off. You're the good, invested parents on here. Some aren't.

LuckysDadsHat · 09/09/2024 19:24

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:22

Very unlikely any of those lasts longer than 5 days.

The policy is clearly heavy handed. However there are parents who keep kids off for every sniffle and have "illnesses" surprisingly often. My child was off for 7 days last year with chicken pox and another illness. But I'm not overly bothered about it being unauthorised. Because really, they won't fine. I had photographs of spots, so if they tried to fine, they wouldn't win.

I don't think some of you realise quite how often some kids are off. You're the good, invested parents on here. Some aren't.

Then target those parents and not everyone!

Grmumpy · 09/09/2024 19:25

This is the second post I have seen about this and it is ridiculous. If any parents whose children have been ill get fined they should take it up with their mp, it can’t be right to punish good parents like this because some parents take liberties.

UpUpUpU · 09/09/2024 19:27

My son had a total of 9 days off last year. 5 for a nasty stomach bug which closed the school for deep cleaning and the teacher came round on day 3 (Wednesday) took one look at him and said don’t come back until Monday. 2 days when they sent him home with tonsillitis and then another 2 days for the 48 sickness bug rule that he had over a weekend.

I got a letter about his ooor attendance but what can you do? If they are unwell ut can’t be helped.

A woman I work with took 3 abroad holidays during term time last year and has just booked another for the week before October half term. That’s who they need to deal with!

bergamotorange · 09/09/2024 19:27

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:16

Photo of prescribed medicine usually. Appointment card, screenshot of appointment with docs.

I know not everyone can get all of these, but most can get one.

You would go along with nonsense like that?

A parent who is lying can fake a thermometer reading. How are you 'evidencing' vomiting?? A picture of some sick?

This is a genuinely pathetic concept.

Sirzy · 09/09/2024 19:28

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 19:16

Photo of prescribed medicine usually. Appointment card, screenshot of appointment with docs.

I know not everyone can get all of these, but most can get one.

I keep the emergency medication for DS conditions at home. Most of the time we can manage it without needing to contact his medical team and even less likely to waste time with the GP!

he has a care plan for school which clearly states that ANY sign of fever or sickness he has to stay home because of the risks for his health.

lots of families with disabilities will self manage a lot at home they will know the point that external help is needed but the bar for not being in school is a lot lower than the one to see someone!

EarthlyNightshade · 09/09/2024 19:33

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 16:04

Just like work, more than 5 day absence needs medical proof.

Unlikely most kids will be ill with more than 5 one day illnesses in a year.

Does your work limit you to 5 days in a year?
I've never heard of a policy like that.

Mikunia · 09/09/2024 19:34

MultiplaLight · 09/09/2024 15:37

It was the government not individual schools. Same with the push on attendance now. It's the government.

Then schools should push back. They are in unions, they have power. But they don't, so yes it is schools.