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I feel like I’m losing my sister and being pushed out

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Lauraxs84 · 08/09/2024 10:51

Me, partner and children haven’t been invited to nieces 1st birthday party.
Her birthday and party are today and my sister told me we can drop presents on Wednesday (my day off work) but that her partners family are coming on her actual birthday. They live abroad and understandably as they don’t see them often they want to focus their time on them, but I’m really hurt we’re not welcome too. There’s plenty of space for us all.
My sister and I have always been really close, since she got with her partner she’s slowly drifted. We don’t have any other family so it’s just been me and her for decades, and now I don’t feel like she sees me as family now she has her partner and his family.
I don’t want to cause a wedge or lose her but I’m not willing to be pushed aside and for our children to be affected (there are 5 altogether between us and they’re close). We used to meet regularly and talk every day now I barely see her. She didn’t come to my 5 year olds birthday lunch in June because she needed to go to the post office… this would never have happened before her partner came along, she was there for everything as I was for her.
I just don’t know what to do anymore. Any advice please?

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Chandeliergirl · 08/09/2024 11:35

I didn't think there is much you can do but very gently express your hurt at a later point when she has time to think about it. But it's unlikely to make much difference. She probably still loves you as much as she ever did.

pinkdelight · 08/09/2024 11:54

Are you saying you and your DP have 5 children? Would they have had to come to the party too? If so, it's understandable that she wanted to keep the party smaller and focused on her 1yo. Also I wonder if your expectations are distorted because you had DC first - and guessing you're the older sister - so she's been close to you while you've been able to have DP and DC and it's all been about you and your DC, but now she's finally got her own DP and DC, she wants that separate identity, that you've always had as the older sister who's done things first. Essentially I see this -

My sister and I have always been really close, since she got with her partner she’s slowly drifted.

As very normal and this bit below -

We don’t have any other family so it’s just been me and her for decades, and now I don’t feel like she sees me as family now she has her partner and his family.

As insecurity rather than a real issue. Obviously you're her family, that won't change, but it's not just you and her and she's allowed to do these things without you, without you needing to feel less.

RichardsGear · 08/09/2024 11:56

I think OP means she and her sister have five children between them.

Have you tried to talk to her about this?

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Spenditlikebeckham · 08/09/2024 12:11

Who's idea was dropping gifts off? Bit cf territory expecting any!

HerewegoagainSS · 08/09/2024 12:13

Spenditlikebeckham · 08/09/2024 12:11

Who's idea was dropping gifts off? Bit cf territory expecting any!

This. Bring her up short. Card in the post only.

FanDann · 08/09/2024 12:14

Spenditlikebeckham · 08/09/2024 12:11

Who's idea was dropping gifts off? Bit cf territory expecting any!

As if she isn't going to be buying a birthday gift for her niece's first birthday! Get real!

pinkyredrose · 08/09/2024 12:16

How fucking disgusting of your sister! There's no reason to not invite you.

What's her partner like, do you and your other half get on with him?

Bayern · 08/09/2024 12:18

I wonder how she felt when you 'got with your partner'? Your relationship has entered a new and entirely normal phase. You are parents first and have partner relationships that rightly come higher than sibling relationships. While it is normal to grieve the loss of closeness, it is an entirely normal transition. You are still her family, but she has other priorities now. I am sorry it hurts.

SpanielPaws · 08/09/2024 12:28

Do you think that there is a chance that her partner is isolating her from you? Does she have friends/work colleagues that she sees regularly?

Spenditlikebeckham · 08/09/2024 12:44

So op's company isn't required but is expected to open her purse? A year old dc won't know if they got gifts or not.

MargaretThursday · 08/09/2024 13:49

The conversation about presents could well have been the Op saying "when shall we drop the presents off?" so not the sister making an assumption.
And, at any rate, it isn't unreasonable to think that Aunty wants to give a present if she always had.

I think it also makes a difference the ages and number of the children.

It's very different inviting your sister with 4 children (one of whom is 5yo) to your 1yos party, than inviting your sister with 2 children to your 1yos party and her 2 dc are 5 and 7, as are your dc, so they play together nicely. You already have lots of toys the older ones will play with etc.

It may be not so much she doesn't care, so much as the expectation that the cousins are always there is not one she feels she wants to continue. She hoped by not going to your 5yos, you'd realise that and not expect to come to the 1yos.

One of my dc was friends with a family for whom all the cousins were expected to come to every party. It made a very difficult time doing parties for this little girl, (who was the youngest), and mum had to think of something that would entertain a 15yo boy as well as a 3yo girl. She said it was just as awkward the other way round when her 3yo was at a 15yos party.

Why don't the next party you have do a family party the day before/day after and have their own party for friends later? Then maybe she'll follow.

BarbaraHoward · 08/09/2024 13:53

I'd leave the birthday be and just call over next week - if they don't see her partner's family often then I think it's understandable that they want to prioritise spending time with them.

As someone said upthread, it's natural for sibling relationships to drift a little at this stage of life.

Also, your sister has young DC, a partner, and does she work? She likely doesn't have time for anyone ATM.

By all means have a gentle chat with her but I wouldn't necessarily take it personally.

Smithhy · 08/09/2024 13:54

Maybe she feels your four children would dominate and take over her daughters first birthday.

Cantthinkofonenow · 08/09/2024 13:56

So you’re only good enough to drop presents round on Wednesday but not to actually be invited to her first birthday. Personally I wouldn’t bother with the presents, she didn’t make effort for your sons birthday did she?
you can tell her your upset but she will probably get defensive and not listen to you anyway

Cantthinkofonenow · 08/09/2024 13:57

Smithhy · 08/09/2024 13:54

Maybe she feels your four children would dominate and take over her daughters first birthday.

Where did she say she had 4 children?

Cynic17 · 08/09/2024 13:58

OP, it's completely normal for siblings to spend more time apart as they get older and have their own families and friends.

ChandelierDrop · 08/09/2024 14:00

Cynic17 · 08/09/2024 13:58

OP, it's completely normal for siblings to spend more time apart as they get older and have their own families and friends.

This. No need for drama and huffing, and the viewing of a child’s birthday party as some kind of territorial battle.

ChandelierDrop · 08/09/2024 14:03

And I can absolutely imagine not wanting to spend a baby’s birthday saying ‘X, this is Y’ and trying to make two different sets of people who don’t know one another cohere and be comfortable. Especially if they don’t share a language. I’ve spent years acting as interpreter at family events for my SIL’s parents, who speak very little English. Given that both they and my PILs are quite odd in different ways, it can be exhausting…

Lauraxs84 · 08/09/2024 14:39

Thanks for all the responses.
To clarify some of the questions I have 2 children age 5 and 3 and my sister has 3 children age 9, 6 and 1. The family are English speaking so there isn’t a barrier and we’ve met them before. She doesn’t have any friends and she’s a SAHM. We do get on with her partner but he has done some shitty things that have made me less than impressed with him, my partner and I have discussed the possiblity he controls everything because she complains about him constantly. They have only been together for 2 years. They used to visit us every weekend last summer so the children could play in the garden (they’re in a flat) and we never had issues. She knows her own mind so I don’t feel she’ll be easily controllable, she left her ex for similar and she’d definitely tell me if she was unhappy etc.
She knows I bought presents prior to the party so she asked me to bring them on Wednesday. A drop off doesn’t sound like I’m even welcome in the house.
It’s a shame but I know from several comments there’s nothing I can do and I don’t want to fall out by putting her on the spot. The children all ask to see each other but she has an excuse each time or we meet and she cuts it short, it’s sad for them.

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Findinganewme · 13/09/2024 21:28

From what you have shared;

  1. they Live in a flat, so don’t have a lot of space. Maybe they feel that they see your family lots.
  2. you don’t your sisters partner and whether it’s valid (because of the shitty things he’s done) or not, he and your sister know of your dislike for him and maybe that’s why they didn’t invite you?
  3. maybe he is quite controlling and although you say that she knows her own mind, she has clearly been vulnerable enough to have been in this situation before, and even had children with someone like this.
MabelQ · 14/09/2024 03:14

Quite honestly, I could be your sister in this scenario (minus the potentially toxic significant other!). If you’d indulge me for a minute I’d like to float a theory… not an excuse for what’s clearly caused you sorrow, but more of a theory on the very harmless potential cause of this sudden drifting away.

You mentioned your own little ones are 5 and 3. I remember when ours were that age; it’s exhausting but you’re also often/usually/generally at the point of both being verbal, both being able to hold your hand and walk, neither being in full-fledged school to the point of homework, and both at a stage where you can pop on a show and take a lovely hot shower.

Presumably, from what you said their ages are, your sister WAS in a position similar to yours with her own children. The one year old… that’s the thing I’d bank on being this sudden-distance-causing factor. Going from two children to three is often a tipping point for moms everywhere, and not in a bad way necessarily! I believe you stated her oldest is 9 now. While you’d sort of figure that older = easier, the truth is that those “middle grade” years can also come with a boatload of other needs, largely related to Mom I Need To Talk To You. That’s when homework hits… or friends need to be discussed… or it’s not just your “Mom Friends” kids’ parties you need to attend, it’s your actual child’s friends who are having social lives. They have bigger feelings and a vocabulary to discuss them. They want books from the library and an art lesson that ties up your phone and they dirty clothes like you thought only toddlers could. And you begin realizing how swiftly the years are flying by.

Our children are 10, 8, and 7 months right now. That’s one child reading classic literature and wanting to chat about it and begging for a set of watercolors. That’s another child who wobbles between working on stunning handwriting and just wanting to play with cars on the floor. You’d think the 7mo baby would be what keeps us flat out (and in some ways it is), but I’ve often pondered how the little years are more about keeping bodies alive and the older years become more about keeping brains and hearts alive.

I suspect your sister feels that you have it “together” and she doesn’t. I suspect she’s probably sleeping less than you are and has been for a while. I suspect perhaps that trip to the post office was all her mind and energy could handle, and that maybe dropping by a lovely-sounding lunch for your child’s birthday was just going to be too much for her to handle in one afternoon. I have a feeling that someone who was formerly Poised and Gracefully Hospitable and Had Life Sorted is probably feeling like having to facilitate conversation between you and her partner’s family would just be like landing a rocket on Mars (even if it wouldn’t be.) It might be something as small as I Don’t Have Plates for Everyone for Snacks. (Obviously an easily-solved problem, but summer + baby + two other children = non logical mother, frequently!)

In a nutshell? Your sister might not even get dressed many days. That post office run might’ve been in sweaty spit-up-covered yesterday’s outfit. She might be soaking in the tiny milestones of childhood. Her emotions are probably still swinging rapidly. Little things seem like big things and big things (such as a birthday!) seem unimportant when compared to a toddler’s teeth or something like that. She might feel like her child’s birthday isn’t as magical as your child’s would be, she might feel like that’s the new baby’s fault, and she very well might feel guilty. And if she’s watching any online posts she’s probably under pressure to “savor every moment” or “only eighteen summers” and so on.

I say it with love and no assumption. My family/friends probably wonder where I’ve gone and if I care. I do care. I do care greatly. But the third backyard barbecue this summer pales in comparison to a snuggly Saturday in pajamas actually getting some SLEEP and not having to Be On and Talk. I love talking. I’m just too tired. And I don’t want to miss a moment of this… our last baby, those last moments of firsts. I love my family and I love my friends and I don’t know what time it is a lot of days and I stress over how our older children are handling all the huge life changes and I’m hoping my family will have grace for when I emerge from a cloud of bottles and diapers and snuggles and sweaty contact naps and delicious little snuggles and have - Lord willing - yet another toddler to send off to the sandbox while I indulge in adult conversation.

Three - with older ones OR younger ones - is a challenge. You sound organized, thoughtful, and beautifully engaging. I wonder if your sister is not organized right now, thinking mostly about the life she’s building in her own little family, and a bit absorbed in the days which are so very long while the years are short. It also sounds like she has a bit of a network that doesn’t include you… and while that hurts you, I promise it can be beneficial. Multiple circles = better failsafes and more support that isn’t all hinging on one connection.

I bet if you give her grace she will emerge triumphantly ready for coffee or a lunch… in a year or more.

MabelQ · 14/09/2024 03:25

I’d like to add that - in response to what you said about summer/playing in the garden/spending more time together before - I loved knowing we could go out and the older children could play when I was pregnant (as I can only assume your sister was LAST summer, as it’s a first birthday party triggering the drama). This summer? I don’t want to go anywhere; I don’t want to do anything; I don’t want to stay long when we do go. Even to family or a casual play date. I want home. I want to be able to pump breast milk and put a crying little one down in their own familiar place with their own familiar blanket. I want to know that when a blowout happens I don’t have to think through being somewhere. I already need to do so many necessary outings for our 10 and 8 year olds - school-related things, library days, club things, friend things - that those lazy summer outings to play together in the garden that I loved SO MUCH last year and the year before and the year before are just like Mount Everest looming in front of me now. I’m a chill Mom with a very low maintenance baby… and a full plate that means carefree family days are just something extra, like nail polish or earrings or tailored outfits currently. I love ‘em, but I’m swamped. In the absolute best way possible.

Josette77 · 14/09/2024 03:50

In two years she has a one year old? Sounds like her and her partner met and got pregnant right away.
With two other kids she is probably overwhelmed.
It doesn't sound very stable.

Alongthepineconetrail · 14/09/2024 04:01

Your sister can run her life how she pleases but if she wants her daughter's gifts then she can collect then herself. From now on you don't accommodate her wishes, if she wants something doing then she needs to make it happen. She doesn't get to click her fingers and you come running.

YellowAsteroid · 14/09/2024 04:04

One of my sisters did this - she kind f fell in love with her husband's family, and her husbsand (my BiL) can sometimes be a bit difficult - he takes pride that he "speaks as he finds" but sometimes he can be quite vile. So a lot of her friends drifted away. I don't think my BiL was deliberately trying to isolate her at all, but it was tough to be so shunned at times, as my sister & BiL focused inwards on creating their "perfect" family.

Now my nieces & nephews (niblings?) are pretty much grown up, my sister is my sister again. We see each other a lot more, and she has said that sometimes she finds her DH's rudeness a bit tough to see what effect it has on others. So she's trying to build back family & friend relationships beyond her marriage.

So hang in there @Lauraxs84 try not to retreat in a huff - just roll with it & hopefully your sister will see sense.

It is complicated too, by your BiL's family living overseas - I can see why they might want to focus on just them. But it's hard when you are given cues that your BiL might not like you - I felt that for years.

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