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Holiday costs aren’t a scam

51 replies

Streppy · 24/08/2024 14:30

To wonder if people don’t get sale and demand when it comes to holidays. I keep seeing people moan that holiday companies are scamming family’s with prices but why would a holiday in peak season cost the same as a holiday in January. If I booked a holiday to a tourist destination I would expect to pay less if I went out of season with hardly anything open etc. I’ve been looking at holidays in the uk today and one place Is almost fully booked for 2 years but the dates available are all out of season so reduced. To me that makes sense. I’m sure there are holiday companies that add on more than is needed cost wise in peak season but there not out to scam you. I keep seeing people say it’s unfair they can’t afford to take there kids abroad etc I never went abroad as a child we holidayed in the uk

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Mostunexpected · 24/08/2024 18:56

CeeJay81 · 24/08/2024 16:27

@blacksax but it's not June, July and August. June is actually a cheap time to go away cause the kids are still in school.
Maybe England could follow Wales and allow term time holidays? However then you could say its not fair on teaching staff, so that's another issue. What is the answer?

I’m in Wales. We are absolutely not allowed term time holidays. They are much stricter here than when I lived in England

CeeJay81 · 24/08/2024 18:59

@Mostunexpected OK. Maybe it's regional. Our school are OK with it, we do it most years.

BeerForMyHorses · 24/08/2024 19:03

OonaStubbs · 24/08/2024 15:29

Schools need to move with the times. They should open year round and have core weeks where holidays are not allowed but in all other weeks, holidays should be allowed. For teachers as well as pupils.

How would that possibly work ? You would have a fee week block where you have half a class and barely a teacher ?

Corinthiana · 24/08/2024 19:09

It's not a scam, as pp have said.
It's capitalism.
Supply and demand.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/08/2024 19:12

MontagueMoo · 24/08/2024 18:51

The root of the problem is the mass delusion we have a society that you absolutely must, must, MUST have a holiday each year (UK or abroad), and that if you don't you're somehow missing out / sad / stunting your children's development.

And then when these luxuries that we've been tricked into thinking of as "essential" cost too much, we squeal in outrage and claim that we're being scammed and that it's unfair we can't take our children out of school for a jolly.

You don't "need" a holiday. You do need rest, relaxation, and a break from work. But that needn't be in a different location.

What rubbish- sorry I do need a holiday- otherwise I just work to pay bills- woohoo. My one holiday in near on guaranteed sun keeps me going.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/08/2024 19:13

To the OP it’s supply and demand- which is why I think schools should have diff holidays ranging from June- September

Corinthiana · 24/08/2024 19:14

Supposing your child's primary school had different holidays than your child's secondary, what would you do, @OnlyFoolsnMothers ?

MontagueMoo · 24/08/2024 19:23

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/08/2024 19:12

What rubbish- sorry I do need a holiday- otherwise I just work to pay bills- woohoo. My one holiday in near on guaranteed sun keeps me going.

Really? Literally the only things in your life are bills or holidays? You get no enjoyment from anything else?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/08/2024 19:26

MontagueMoo · 24/08/2024 19:23

Really? Literally the only things in your life are bills or holidays? You get no enjoyment from anything else?

my holiday is the most enjoyable thing- a whole week of not working cooking or cleaning- it’s the only time of the year the mundanity of life is significantly reduced.

Kpo58 · 24/08/2024 19:32

MontagueMoo · 24/08/2024 18:51

The root of the problem is the mass delusion we have a society that you absolutely must, must, MUST have a holiday each year (UK or abroad), and that if you don't you're somehow missing out / sad / stunting your children's development.

And then when these luxuries that we've been tricked into thinking of as "essential" cost too much, we squeal in outrage and claim that we're being scammed and that it's unfair we can't take our children out of school for a jolly.

You don't "need" a holiday. You do need rest, relaxation, and a break from work. But that needn't be in a different location.

It's probably quite hard to get rest and relaxation when you live in a not very nice area and still have all the chores that you have normally. Especially if you also have to entertain the kids (which also isn't restful).

WomanOfSteel · 24/08/2024 19:36

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 24/08/2024 19:26

my holiday is the most enjoyable thing- a whole week of not working cooking or cleaning- it’s the only time of the year the mundanity of life is significantly reduced.

Completely agree. Nothing like a break from the domestic drudgery and to know you’re going to wake up everyday and the sun is going to be out. Not another day in grim, grey shite weather we’ve been getting.

OccasionalHope · 24/08/2024 19:40

It’s supply and demand.

If the prices were lower in high season And out of season prices were higher, the peak period would just book up sooner and some would complain about that.

NoSquirrels · 24/08/2024 19:46

sleepyscientist · 24/08/2024 14:58

So Mexico in peak Caribbean season feb half term 6k the week before which is usually better weather £3850. The majority of the guests at the hotel we visit are American or Canadian so that increase is purely driven by the UK government and the school fines. The difference for next year is even more with the higher fines.

If they want to stick with the school fines the amount they add on for the school holidays should be averaged across the month.

Increased demand = higher prices. That is basic economics of supply & demand, elasticity of pricing. It is what it is.

What do you mean by if ‘they’ want to stick with the fines ‘they’ should average them across the month? Who is they and why should they do this?

Mostunexpected · 24/08/2024 19:50

OccasionalHope · 24/08/2024 19:40

It’s supply and demand.

If the prices were lower in high season And out of season prices were higher, the peak period would just book up sooner and some would complain about that.

This. As selfish at it might sound, if holidays were half the cost when schools are off, I’d book twice as many. So even more people would be losing out when everything is fully booked ages in advance

IamnotnutsIamacondiment · 24/08/2024 19:54

MontagueMoo · 24/08/2024 18:51

The root of the problem is the mass delusion we have a society that you absolutely must, must, MUST have a holiday each year (UK or abroad), and that if you don't you're somehow missing out / sad / stunting your children's development.

And then when these luxuries that we've been tricked into thinking of as "essential" cost too much, we squeal in outrage and claim that we're being scammed and that it's unfair we can't take our children out of school for a jolly.

You don't "need" a holiday. You do need rest, relaxation, and a break from work. But that needn't be in a different location.

Where I live, we have a neighbour who screams for her cat at many times during the day night, she can start at 7am and continue at various times till 4-5am.

DP had 2 weeks off and she really was off on one, it is not relaxing to have a holiday at my place.

I have next week off and I am praying I can get at least one full night of sleep.

MtClair · 24/08/2024 20:29

OonaStubbs · 24/08/2024 17:35

It doesn't only cost "a few hundreds to the company". The peak season costs subsidise the costs the rest of the year.

Depends where.
In some countries, it’s not allowed to sell at loss.

Which makes sense tbh. It undermines other competitors forcing them to bring prices down to unhealthy levels. Not good in many levels.

5NightsAtFreddies · 24/08/2024 20:51

I do think it’s unfair on those who work in schools to have to pay more to go on their holidays. Not so much for parents because we choose to have kids.

OonaStubbs · 24/08/2024 21:26

People who work in schools choose to work there too.

Hucklemuckle · 24/08/2024 21:39

@sleepyscientist

So Mexico in peak Caribbean season feb half term 6k the week before which is usually better weather £3850. The majority of the guests at the hotel we visit are American or Canadian so that increase is purely driven by the UK government and the school fines. The difference for next year is even more with the higher fines.
So you are saying the resort in Mexico that is full of mainly American and Canadian guests raise their prices because of the UK government? 🫤

Hucklemuckle · 24/08/2024 21:41

Pandasandtigers · 24/08/2024 14:58

I suppose it’s a scam in a way that you are limited to the time you can go because of children in school. Once term ends, the price goes up, this is because that’s when you have to take children with absolutely no choice. If people could take their kids in January or February I’m sure they would, but then you put them behind in education so it’s a double edged sword.

It is scammy to profit more of a bad situation, there isn’t more demand because that’s when people want to go, it’s because that’s when they have to go. We shouldn’t tolerate that to be honest, we should be free to go on holidays when we like, not told when we have too.

Look at it the other way. The peak price is the normal price. Off season you get offered a discounted rate to try to entice people

They aren't going to offer the discounted rate during peak times because they don't have to

timetodecide2345 · 25/08/2024 00:13

We have had a lifetime of expensive holidays as DH is a teacher. It's one real treat we are looking forward to in retirement. We definitely would have no desire to travel in July and August either when the places are full of screaming kids and screaming parents. I wouldn't actually mind it being cooler. I don't think it can be described as a scam though. Maybe they are scamming teachers too!!

sleepyscientist · 25/08/2024 08:38

Hucklemuckle · 24/08/2024 21:39

@sleepyscientist

So Mexico in peak Caribbean season feb half term 6k the week before which is usually better weather £3850. The majority of the guests at the hotel we visit are American or Canadian so that increase is purely driven by the UK government and the school fines. The difference for next year is even more with the higher fines.
So you are saying the resort in Mexico that is full of mainly American and Canadian guests raise their prices because of the UK government? 🫤

The resort doesn't raise its price the tour operator and UK based airlines do. I wouldn't mind paying the resorts more it's the profiteering by the tour operators I begrudge as if the increased fines didn't exist the gap between the weeks would be much less as demand would be less. It's like a state school tax.

We take DS out and I have written a plan so we prevent getting the big fine by cruising in europe one year in every 3 but booking direct with the cruise line so we only have the increased flight cost which I still begrudge.

GeneralPeter · 25/08/2024 13:14

For those against raising of prices in peak season, how would you police this, and who would decide who gets to go on holiday (as there will be too much demand in those weeks)?

longdistanceclaraclara · 25/08/2024 13:46

OonaStubbs · 24/08/2024 15:29

Schools need to move with the times. They should open year round and have core weeks where holidays are not allowed but in all other weeks, holidays should be allowed. For teachers as well as pupils.

😂😂😂

Nsky62 · 25/08/2024 14:10

Holidays are seen differently, uk hols often bad weather, not my idea of fun, I hate the cold.
i have family abroad, so go away for a few days, which is good and hot.
Not to cook, clean, go self catering or camping, must be more wherever.