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Should I worry re pension

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thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 17:18

Hello all

Would love your feedback on my finances and any ideas

I have my house paid for thankfully

Got 60k of outstanding loans that I'm planning on paying for over the next few years

I am self employed and no pension

I'm 42 and I'm starting to think I will just need to keep working and not retire

I love my job thankfully and get a decent wage from two days work per week

I have not looked into any private pensions etc
Should I?

Also I have two girls aged 4 and 6 so will need to try to help them with uni etc hence why I see myself working beyond 70

Any ideas please

(Grew up poor and realise just how lucky I am to have NO mortgage )

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quintessentially166 · 15/08/2024 19:49

Have you paid a stamp to get the state pension; if yes will this be enough to live on once you are no longer working, if no what are you going to live on? You need to speak to an independent financial advisor to decide how best to pay off your debt, taking out a private pension or how to invest money to get a return for enough to live on.

CoastalCalm · 15/08/2024 20:10

Have you for your income tax set aside ?

cupofstrongtea · 15/08/2024 21:01

quintessentially166 · 15/08/2024 19:49

Have you paid a stamp to get the state pension; if yes will this be enough to live on once you are no longer working, if no what are you going to live on? You need to speak to an independent financial advisor to decide how best to pay off your debt, taking out a private pension or how to invest money to get a return for enough to live on.

Op can have NI contributions accrued if she is raising children under the age of 12.

Financial advisers do not provide advice on debt repayments. They are essentially sales people who, for a one-off fee (and in many cases an ongoing annual fee), will sell you financial products. The products they sell will very rarely beat the index over the longer term.
This is why it is important to do your own research, even if it is just to assess whether an IFA is actually required, and if they can bring added value.

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quintessentially166 · 15/08/2024 21:26

@cupofstrongtea financial advisors can and do offer advise on debt control and yes they do primarily sell financial products but as the OP appears not to know the best way forward speaking to a FA may be a good start; you don't have to go with what they recommend.

As with state pension, yes you are right ni contributions are topped up but only if you claim child benefit and you need 35 years contributions to get full pension.

My worry if I was the OP would be, where would my income be coming from if I was not working or retired especially if the debt hasn't been cleared.

thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:22

HermioneWeasley · 15/08/2024 19:37

When you say you have no mortgage, do you mean you own a property outright that you can continue to live in, or you have free accommodation provided now, but that might or might not be available in the future?

you seem to have £75k of debt which needs paying off. That seems a staggering amount for home improvements and a car. If I were you I’d go full time and get all that debt paid off in just over a year. Then I’d prioritise some short term emergency savings and some longer term savings/pension. At the moment, you’re not in a position to help your daughters with university, though if you keep earning at that rate then you might be able to in 10 years.

in terms of a pension, you need to be thinking of circa £300k of capital to generate £10k a year of income. If you stay full time you can easily be putting £50kpa into a pension or stocks and shares ISA which will build to a healthy pot over the next 20 years. The sooner you start the sooner you get the benefit of compound growth.

Fabulous

So so helpful thank you

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thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:23

Mossstitch · 15/08/2024 19:24

I would personally stop worrying about pension and just clear your debts and get some savings behind you. I didn't actually start paying into a pension until I was 46 and then was just because I'd qualified as NHS HCP and was automatic with my job. Been through some dire financial times, (eg mortgage up to 17% in the 90s and having to downsize to clear debts plus becoming single parent). I'm now on state pension with small nhs pension, still do some part time work but I manage fine on income of about £20k per annum. Don't wish to be morbid but I know so many people that didn't even reach state pension age that I wonder why so many people worry about pensions😳 just get yourself financially stable and your kids sorted out, the rest will sort itself out eventually.🌻

Yes absolutely agree

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thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:24

Tickledtrout · 15/08/2024 18:45

What's your field OP? If its educational or clinical a day a week working for a local government or NHS would provide an easy start pension base and a means to tax free avcs. Might be worth looking into if a decent pension is your primary aim

Great suggestion

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thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:25

You guys are the best

I have no clue clearly

I need to clear all the debt
Up my hours

Then focus on the best pension going forward

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Sparrowball · 15/08/2024 22:35

thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:25

You guys are the best

I have no clue clearly

I need to clear all the debt
Up my hours

Then focus on the best pension going forward

Did you really need a thread to figure this out? 🤔

newleafontheplantjohn · 15/08/2024 23:26

@thisisasurvivor It's not great that you have no pension provision BUT you own a home outright at age 42 which does somewhat offset this.

But you do now need to start a pension.

Pay in what you can afford, which should hopefully be a fairly decent amount as you have no rent / mortgage costs.

The sooner you start paying in, the sooner it will start to benefit from compounding. Remember you will also benefit from tax relief, which could be very beneficial to you as it sounds like you are a higher rate tax payer.

Sounds like you would benefit from a financial plan, feel free to direct message me if you'd like any help.

titchy · 16/08/2024 09:56

thisisasurvivor · 15/08/2024 22:25

You guys are the best

I have no clue clearly

I need to clear all the debt
Up my hours

Then focus on the best pension going forward

You're 42. Start the pension. If you start in a few years you have a massive amount to make up. To get £300k in 25 years is probably £500 a month. Starting in 5 years means maybe £750 a month.

Or as someone else suggested work for the NHS.

Note the poster who said don't worry they didn't have a pension till they were late 40s had an NHS one - they are way better than private ones.

You can get the debt consolidated into a mortgage type rate in a few days.

You should be doing all three in parallel, not saying I'll increase my hours, then I'll clear the debt, then I'll sort the pension.

Reugny · 16/08/2024 10:04

In regards to pensions you can find a SIPP provider and choose tracker funds that cover different markets. They are often cheaper than choosing funds that use a fund manager.

However as other posters have pointed out you would be far better getting employed by the NHS or another employer even if it is only part-time on your other 3 days a week, then join their pension scheme. You can then pay in additional voluntary contributions.

thisisasurvivor · 16/08/2024 11:39

Hmmm @Sparrowball funny enough yes

So maybe don't comment??

Or can I help you further?? lol 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😧

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Sadtosaythis · 16/08/2024 11:44

Start a pension asap. The longer the money gets to grow the better. If you worked one extra day a week and banked that in a pension, plus tax relief within twenty years you will have a lump that can make a real difference to your retirement. The key is to do it now, as growth is key and markets fluctuate. Don’t obsess on the value until nearer the time that you need to access it and if you can put more in as time goes by all the better. Once you’ve cleared your loans maybe you can use that money too. Good luck 🤞🏼

thisisasurvivor · 16/08/2024 11:44

Reugny · 16/08/2024 10:04

In regards to pensions you can find a SIPP provider and choose tracker funds that cover different markets. They are often cheaper than choosing funds that use a fund manager.

However as other posters have pointed out you would be far better getting employed by the NHS or another employer even if it is only part-time on your other 3 days a week, then join their pension scheme. You can then pay in additional voluntary contributions.

Great

Will take a look now

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thisisasurvivor · 16/08/2024 16:44

Sadtosaythis · 16/08/2024 11:44

Start a pension asap. The longer the money gets to grow the better. If you worked one extra day a week and banked that in a pension, plus tax relief within twenty years you will have a lump that can make a real difference to your retirement. The key is to do it now, as growth is key and markets fluctuate. Don’t obsess on the value until nearer the time that you need to access it and if you can put more in as time goes by all the better. Once you’ve cleared your loans maybe you can use that money too. Good luck 🤞🏼

Thank you

I am on it

Sort of been unsure for so long now

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MyKingdomforaNewUsername · 16/08/2024 17:03

Do not mortgage your home to pay off your loan.

thisisasurvivor · 16/08/2024 17:18

MyKingdomforaNewUsername · 16/08/2024 17:03

Do not mortgage your home to pay off your loan.

I'm have increased my hours now

So doing 5 days for the next year with the hope I can get rid of the loan

Tackle credit cards first :(

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thisisasurvivor · 02/09/2024 11:39

You have all helped so much

Thank you one last question

I used to work in a LA for 7 years

Got a letter today re my pension starting in 2050

It says 5600 per annum
So that's the amount I will get from 2050 per year?

Seems like a lot to me

I was there for only 7 years full time

Just checking !!!!

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thisisasurvivor · 02/09/2024 18:51

Silly question I know 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

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ilovemoney · 02/09/2024 19:13

You have time op and it’s great that you already have a defined benefit pension. You need to go online and check you will get your full state pension when the time comes. Clear debt, build some savings for 3-6 months and put a monthly budget together to manage spending. Look into setting up junior stocks and shares isas for your kids now as a savings pot for their future. Get onto the money board here as there is some great advice there.

titchy · 02/09/2024 20:03

Sounds about right. You accrue one 49th of your salary for every year worked in the local gov scheme so 7 years at £38k would yield a pension of £5,500 a year-ish.

titchy · 02/09/2024 20:05

It's index linked btw - so your salary then would have been around the equivalent of £38k now if that makes sense.

Biggaybear · 02/09/2024 20:25

So within 2 days you went from working 2 days a week to 5. Just like that. Are you still earning £500 per day ?

Also; I noticed that you were very good at replying to posts with "thanks guys" and "taking a note of that" but hardly replied to posters asking for information. Having £75k of non-mortgage debt is huge & must be on quite high interest rates. But you seemed to have skipped that....🤔.

As a financial adviser I'd say leave the pension for now (especially as you seemed to have now found a DB scheme giving you £5,600 pa.....for just 7 years work. Even a very good 1/60th scheme would have meant you would have been on £45k pa during that time.

One last thing. If this is true then I'd also forget about thinking of your children's Uni costs for a good few years. They are the least of your issues.

thisisasurvivor · 03/09/2024 15:13

Biggaybear · 02/09/2024 20:25

So within 2 days you went from working 2 days a week to 5. Just like that. Are you still earning £500 per day ?

Also; I noticed that you were very good at replying to posts with "thanks guys" and "taking a note of that" but hardly replied to posters asking for information. Having £75k of non-mortgage debt is huge & must be on quite high interest rates. But you seemed to have skipped that....🤔.

As a financial adviser I'd say leave the pension for now (especially as you seemed to have now found a DB scheme giving you £5,600 pa.....for just 7 years work. Even a very good 1/60th scheme would have meant you would have been on £45k pa during that time.

One last thing. If this is true then I'd also forget about thinking of your children's Uni costs for a good few years. They are the least of your issues.

What a very odd post
lol

Thanks to all the other posters and. Not this one

Imagine someone having the time to come on Mn and make up questions or pretend they don't know about pensions

lol
lol

Everyone else 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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