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WHO has declared a new global health emergency

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user68712226 · 15/08/2024 07:17

I’m currently abroad so my bbc news website is defaulting to worldwide. The WHO has declared a global health emergency for MPox. They have significant concerns that it won’t be contained in Africa.

weird that it isn’t even mentioned on the Uk bbc site.

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Angrymum22 · 15/08/2024 21:30

Rummly · 15/08/2024 20:56

What happened to the TB concern? Did we nip it in the bud or is it still there but less reported?

TB is endemic but the nature of the disease means it lies undetected in healthy people. It’s quite hard to catch because it relies on crowded living conditions combined with low immunity. In first world countries the conditions needed for spread are far less common.
In addition the older, possibly vulnerable part of the population were vaccinated and may retain enough of their immunity to avoid infection.

I remember there being a case in my primary school and we all had Heaf tests to see if we were infected. I broke my arm just after having the test and my DM had to use a torch to check the result. DM had had a positive test as a child in similar circumstances but didn’t develop the full disease. She had regular chest X-rays, as she was a nurse, to make sure dormant infection wasn’t active.My GM had a TB gland which was removed as a child, again she lived until 89 without any sign of TB. TB is treatable although it takes time.

We are far better prepared for Mpox and TB. If the risk elevates travel restrictions will be put in place. The Labour Party in opposition were very vocal about travel restrictions early in the pandemic so hopefully they will be quick to react.

One area they need to be rigorous with is the influx of foreign students in Sept/Oct maybe a blanket quarantine for any student from UK returning from holiday or travel abroad or international students if they have entered the country within the incubation period. We know that Freshers week is a massive spreading event from the pandemic - Freshers Flu.
Also anyone who has travelled abroad in late August returning to school. It’s not the country that’s important but the fact they have travelled through airports where contacts are possible.

Rummly · 15/08/2024 21:32

Angrymum22 · 15/08/2024 21:30

TB is endemic but the nature of the disease means it lies undetected in healthy people. It’s quite hard to catch because it relies on crowded living conditions combined with low immunity. In first world countries the conditions needed for spread are far less common.
In addition the older, possibly vulnerable part of the population were vaccinated and may retain enough of their immunity to avoid infection.

I remember there being a case in my primary school and we all had Heaf tests to see if we were infected. I broke my arm just after having the test and my DM had to use a torch to check the result. DM had had a positive test as a child in similar circumstances but didn’t develop the full disease. She had regular chest X-rays, as she was a nurse, to make sure dormant infection wasn’t active.My GM had a TB gland which was removed as a child, again she lived until 89 without any sign of TB. TB is treatable although it takes time.

We are far better prepared for Mpox and TB. If the risk elevates travel restrictions will be put in place. The Labour Party in opposition were very vocal about travel restrictions early in the pandemic so hopefully they will be quick to react.

One area they need to be rigorous with is the influx of foreign students in Sept/Oct maybe a blanket quarantine for any student from UK returning from holiday or travel abroad or international students if they have entered the country within the incubation period. We know that Freshers week is a massive spreading event from the pandemic - Freshers Flu.
Also anyone who has travelled abroad in late August returning to school. It’s not the country that’s important but the fact they have travelled through airports where contacts are possible.

Thank you. What a great post. 👍

HurrayOhYes · 15/08/2024 21:52

There is no chance, none at all, that Labour would impose mandatory quarantine for students from abroad. What about British students who were abroad on holiday? It's all the same. Please let's not call them boat people but migration of all sorts, whether illegal trafficking by boat or legal and comfortable by air travel with valid travel documents is all a huge risk for publish health, it's global movements that would need to be curtailed, we've been there and it won't happen again.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 15/08/2024 22:21

HurrayOhYes · 15/08/2024 21:52

There is no chance, none at all, that Labour would impose mandatory quarantine for students from abroad. What about British students who were abroad on holiday? It's all the same. Please let's not call them boat people but migration of all sorts, whether illegal trafficking by boat or legal and comfortable by air travel with valid travel documents is all a huge risk for publish health, it's global movements that would need to be curtailed, we've been there and it won't happen again.

I disagree that global travel will not be curtailed. I think Labour absolutely would consider this along with quarantine of people who have been abroad- particularly who have visited certain countries, or travelled through certain airports.

I appreciate that that would not stop people arriving via boats illegally.

We are an island, curbing foreign travel is doable and something that we can use to our advantage if needed.

HurrayOhYes · 16/08/2024 09:20

I think Labour absolutely would consider this along with quarantine of people who have been abroad- particularly who have visited certain countries, or travelled through certain airports.
This could only ever be voluntary, how would Labour police this?

Peakpeakpeak · 16/08/2024 09:29

HurrayOhYes · 16/08/2024 09:20

I think Labour absolutely would consider this along with quarantine of people who have been abroad- particularly who have visited certain countries, or travelled through certain airports.
This could only ever be voluntary, how would Labour police this?

Yes, that sounds unworkable.

BurntBroccoli · 16/08/2024 09:35

We already have a vaccine for this - the smallpox one.

ItsAlrightDarling · 16/08/2024 09:38

user68712226 · 15/08/2024 20:08

It was headlining on the bbc website. Separation of a love island couple.

Edited

That must be your algorithms. That wasn’t on my headline page at all yesterday on the BBC. It was the headline on the Daily Mail though.

BeaRF75 · 16/08/2024 09:40

So tedious....

BallaiLuimni · 16/08/2024 10:04

deviantfeline · 15/08/2024 20:21

At the risk of sounding like a doom monger there will be many many more of these on our lifetime. Particularly as the global population grows and reaches unsustainable levels.
It's pretty much fact that humans will be wiped out either by a massive super volcano or by a global pandemic. Unfortunately no one will take the actual big one seriously now becuase of the poor management of covid.

What would be point in taking 'the big one' seriously? If a virus has the ability to wipe 7+ billion people out then there's no point in doing anything besides enjoying what little time you have left. There's really no point in thinking about a volcano.

Menstum · 16/08/2024 10:17

Menstum · 15/08/2024 20:58

The global trend of refugees has significantly increased over a decade. According to UNHCR UK, over 89.3 million individuals worldwide, among whom 27.1 million were under UNHCR mandate, were forced to flee their homes as of 2021 due to conflict, persecution, human rights violations, and violence [1]. This global movement, which is often unsafe and uncontrolled without taking precautions due to the urgency to find a safe country, could play an essential role in spreading zoonotic viruses, such as the ongoing outbreak-Monkeypox virus infection.

@suburberphobe

LaPalmaLlama · 16/08/2024 10:23

“We are an island, curbing foreign travel is doable and something that we can use to our advantage if needed.”

I mean technically but what do you plan to do about the 16000+ freight lorries that drive into Dover ( just Dover- including other ports the number would be much higher) every day from various European destinations?. We are not an island in the same way as ( eg) NZ where majority of imports come in by ship where it is easier to keep ship crew separate from local population.

OtterMouse · 16/08/2024 10:29

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Peakpeakpeak · 16/08/2024 10:33

LaPalmaLlama · 16/08/2024 10:23

“We are an island, curbing foreign travel is doable and something that we can use to our advantage if needed.”

I mean technically but what do you plan to do about the 16000+ freight lorries that drive into Dover ( just Dover- including other ports the number would be much higher) every day from various European destinations?. We are not an island in the same way as ( eg) NZ where majority of imports come in by ship where it is easier to keep ship crew separate from local population.

We're also not all an island. The UK has a land border, and it's an open one. It was porous enough in the middle of a conflict, and that's when we were actually trying to police it.

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/08/2024 10:48

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It does. But there isn’t enough of it to run a. Vaccination program at the moment. It may take a while to scale up production.

AngelusBell · 16/08/2024 11:57

namechangeforthisi · 15/08/2024 21:10

I was confused about that, is it the one that's spreading fast that has a high fatality rate ?

It’s spreading fast in some African countries that don’t have the same access to vaccines and antivirals that we do - new variant Clade Ib.

AngelusBell · 16/08/2024 11:59

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Yes, it’s being offered in London and Greater Manchester to at risk people - men who have sex with men, people involved in group sex and sex workers who work from premises.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 16/08/2024 17:09

LaPalmaLlama · 16/08/2024 10:23

“We are an island, curbing foreign travel is doable and something that we can use to our advantage if needed.”

I mean technically but what do you plan to do about the 16000+ freight lorries that drive into Dover ( just Dover- including other ports the number would be much higher) every day from various European destinations?. We are not an island in the same way as ( eg) NZ where majority of imports come in by ship where it is easier to keep ship crew separate from local population.

You're right. It would be really complicated, maybe impossible. My comment was driven from knowing that during Covid the government did stop travel, albeit non essential travel. Their timing is a different matter, and I have more faith in Labour having better timing.

Having read more of the comments I do see the logic in taking an approach which is more realistic and pragmatic along the lines of not taking drastic action and letting things unfold.

I'm surprised that I can see the sense in that TBH as when Covid first happened I felt that doing all we could to protect ourselves, particularly the vulnerable, was absolutely the right thing to do. Although in my personal case the lockdown themselves caused a great deal of damage to the livelihoods, health and welfare of friends and family so maybe my views towards drastic action have changed.

Nadeed · 16/08/2024 17:18

We need to track and trace now and quarantine those infected. That alongside vaccines to those most at risk should ensure that any outbreak is small.

AngelusBell · 16/08/2024 18:44

From The Brick Castle on Facebook:

2 years ago there was an outbreak of Mpox across the world. It was a new variant, labelled subclade 2b, the first time Mpox spread extensively from human to human, and expecially via sexual contact. Compared to previous human infections with Mpox the mortality rate was low - most likely around 1%.
The 2b outbreak has been fairly limited, especially where those who were most at risk could be quickly vaccinated using a jab derived from the Smallpox virus. Across most of the world it has petered out, although it has never gone away.

In DRC the original Clade 1 Mpox is endemic, and every year a few people are infected, this is a hazard of living in close proximity to disease carrying animals. Most humans infected are children, who can sometimes also infect other members of their household. Last Autumn the number of people being infected by other people began to rise sharply, and that rise has continued. The Clade 1 virus has mutated, or evolved, inside some of those human bodies, and it doesn't take a genius to see that it is more easily transmitted human to human. The mutated variant has been labelled Clade 1b, and it is this variant which has caused the PHEIC.

So far it seems Clade 1b Mpox is less deadly than other Clade 1 Mpox in the past, but possibly a little worse than the 2b 2022 epidemic variant. It is very hard to tell because DRC is mainly poor and rural, young children make up the majority of patients, and access to testing is limited unless people are taken to hospital or quarantine. Best educated guesses suggest Clade 1b has a mortality rate of around 1-3%, and it has already begun to spread to neighbouring countries, with at least 13 reporting cases so far. That's not good. Announcing a PHEIC allows WHO to free up funding and emergency resources. It allows poorer countries to ask for help with vaccinations and medical care. It is in all of our best interests that this is curtailed as quickly as possible, not least because every person it passes through is another chance for it to mutate further.

The risk from Mpox Clade 1b to anyone living away from the affected areas is currently LOW. Mpox is harder to catch than COVID. It is spread usually by skin to skin contact, caring for an Mpox patient or sharing clothes or bedding, or by close contact with infected animals (which don't exist in the UK). In graphic terms it causes spots which can become large, weepy and crust over, and the fluid or pus seeping from the sores/ rash/ lesions carries the virus, as do other body fluids - including snot and spit.

It is therefore possible to catch Mpox by kissing or holding unwashed hands, or even talking to someone, but you'd have to be in very close proximity or spend a lot of time with them.

The UK HSA are on alert, and any suspected Mpox should be treated seriously. Any confirmed Mpox will be tested to see which variant it is. From the beginning of 2023 to the end of July 2024 the UK has detected 286 cases of Mpox.

  • 269 in England (116 UK acquired, 82 caught abroad, the rest as yet unsure)
  • 11 in Scotland (3 UK acquired, 7 imported)
  • 1 in Wales (imported)
  • 5 in Northern Ireland (1 UK acquired, 1 imported)
NONE of these were the more serious Clade 1 Mpox strains, all were Clade 2b (the 2022 outbreak). At this point no Clade 1b infections have been detected in the UK.

Sweden yesterday announced they had detected the first case of the more contagious Clade 1b Mpox outside Africa.
The affected person had recently stayed in an area of Africa with lots of cases, sought early treatment and risk to the wider Swedish public is deemed to be low.
This will without doubt be the first of many.

Mpox usually isn't fun and you do feel poorly.
Common symptoms begin around 1-2 weeks after infection. They include a skin rash or pus-filled lesions which can last 2 to 4 weeks, and can leave a scar. It can also cause fever, headaches, muscle aches, back pain, low energy and swollen lymph nodes.

Most of the symptoms can be caused by something other than Mpox, including Chicken Pox or flu, so early identification can be tricky unless you know you've been in contact with an infected person.

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