Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Positive stories only please - overcoming bad insomnia

50 replies

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 17:13

Having a bad bout of it, and exhausted. Just really need some tales of hope. Please nothing negative - really need to hear good stuff.

I'm in my 40s, and it's been brought on by various life stressors.

TIA

OP posts:
Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 18:04

As you know, chronic insomnia can play havoc with everything. Feel for you. I think active minds tend to have insomnia - men and women. It is better and worse at different times in life - and depends on what is going on in your life. Been studying it for years and not because I wanted to.

What works best for me is knowing how much I can put on each "plate" I am juggling each day. Kids, work, spouse, or whatever: they are all plates one juggles in life. My worst insomnia was when I had kids, going to college again, a spouse who was a bad fit, and having had surgery, and a new house. I never slept.

Prioritize sleep as number one whenever possible.
Prioritize plates and try to avoid/ignore/put on hold those plates that are not life threatening - and can wait til later.
Never eat or drink within 4 hours of bedtime (or after 6pm), depending on your age.
Do not drink alcohol to try to sleep and if you do want some wine, do it before 3pm. Alcohol before bed really helps relax but when it is 90% metabolized you wake up - about 2am, if you last drank at 7-8pm.
If you don't get any sleep, the next day, give yourself a break and try not to interact with people, or do it the least you must. Lay down or sit quietly in a chair whenever possible during the day and listen to relaxing music to focus on rather than worries on a "plate".

When my insomnia was at its worst I was able to "power through" and be awake for 3 days, after that my body took over and I would "crash" sleep for at least 5-7 hours, sometimes for 10-11 hrs. I also found that cyclobenzaprine (a muscle relaxer) is a help, and if I have been up 3 days with very little sleep it works to help me sleep on that fourth night. It is not addictive but does not work on a night after night basis, only for "rescue" sleep after 3-4 days without sleep due to life stressors (too much on your plate).

Many people can use magnesium to sleep, and it works now and then as it also relaxes muscles. Do NOT use benzos and as one gets older that is even more important not to use them. Benzos are highly addicting and one needs more and more to get same sleep effect and the sleep they give is not "true" sleep, and will end up making you worse; are a bad combo with alcohol. Ambien and Lunesta do not give true sleep and the rebound from both are a nightmare. Ambien and alcohol are very dangerous, too.

Another good drug you may want to try that is non addictive is hydroxyizine.

Some heart medications can be taken to help sleep. The doctors who worked with me over years finally discovered I was waking up due to high blood pressure spikes due to nightmares. Even if you don't have chronic BP issues but stress causes spikes in people with high anxiety levels. Some chronically stressed people run a higher level of adrenaline in a "normal" state, so when life stress gets critically high their adrenaline is extremely high causing BP spikes even sleeping, so BP meds help control those spikes.

Another de-stressing drug is Propanolol, a BP medication. It is fabulous for extreme high anxiety and can be taken as needed for high anxiety periods, which helps with sleep, too.

There are times sleep is disrupted and just can't be helped. Let everyone around you clearly KNOW you have not had sleep and will not deal with certain issues "right now" and "once I get some sleep, I will try to help".

My insomnia was so bad I ended up on disability as I could no longer work with confidence in what I was doing: managing 2lb babies in a prenatal ICU. It wasn't the work that was so stressful, but the divorce and four kids and my career, college, surgery I had on my plate all at once.

I did manage to get rid of the #1 stressor in my life: ex husband of 27 years. It was the best thing I needed to do. Life is good now - 10 years later.

Hang in there; have a cup of Valerian laced tea, listen to favorite music, give yourself a break. You are only human.

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:09

Thanks @Sheri99 . I thought propranolol messed with sleep?? You found it helped?

OP posts:
YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:11

I wonder how many others have found that having teenagers leads to insomnia? Their schedules being all over the place (especially in the holidays), needing you most at midnight, etc.

OP posts:

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:11

Has anyone had any luck with melatonin?

OP posts:
YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:16

It's such a relief to not be alone in this, by the way. And to know that there are ways through it.

OP posts:
Bobbybobbins · 11/08/2024 18:32

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:11

Has anyone had any luck with melatonin?

@YouTooU2

My DS who is autistic takes it and it has changed all of our lives! He only needs a teeny dose of 1mg but helps him so much.

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 18:36

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 18:09

Thanks @Sheri99 . I thought propranolol messed with sleep?? You found it helped?

Propanolol helps with anxiety symptoms and drops anxiety levels during the day and in that way helps with sleep. Amlodipine helps with nightime BP spikes and sleep. I used to wake up on a regular basis with headache and nausea due to those BP spikes due to bad dreams, works well and also decreases strokes.

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 18:43

I do not think physicians take insomnia seriously enough but I think they are now beginning to here in the States. Insomnia hinders one's ability to think logically, it causes one to make decisions too quickly because one hasn't the energy to think deeply enough to get to a best decision. It also makes both men and women emotionally labile (touchy) and causes strife between people. Chronic insomnia has been connected to many things: obesity, cardiovascular disease, cancer, suicide. Sleep is more important than anything else in life - well, other than breathing perhaps?

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 19:24

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 18:43

I do not think physicians take insomnia seriously enough but I think they are now beginning to here in the States. Insomnia hinders one's ability to think logically, it causes one to make decisions too quickly because one hasn't the energy to think deeply enough to get to a best decision. It also makes both men and women emotionally labile (touchy) and causes strife between people. Chronic insomnia has been connected to many things: obesity, cardiovascular disease, cancer, suicide. Sleep is more important than anything else in life - well, other than breathing perhaps?

Please don't say this here - it's totally the last thing insomniacs need to hear!!

OP posts:
movingonsaturday · 11/08/2024 19:39

Balance meditation app is great it teaches you step by step how to meditate and never fails to help me sleep

bluecomputerscreen · 11/08/2024 19:40

melatonin does nothing for me apart from making me feel queasy.

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 19:53

YouTooU2 · 11/08/2024 19:24

Please don't say this here - it's totally the last thing insomniacs need to hear!!

Apologize. Was simply saying others who haven't had a serious issue with insomnia do not realize it isn't a night here and there without good restful sleep, it is a pattern and should be seen as a serious issue that needs remedy.

YouTooU2 · 12/08/2024 09:06

Sheri99 · 11/08/2024 19:53

Apologize. Was simply saying others who haven't had a serious issue with insomnia do not realize it isn't a night here and there without good restful sleep, it is a pattern and should be seen as a serious issue that needs remedy.

Yes, I agree there should be much more understanding and help available in primary care

OP posts:
redrudolph · 12/08/2024 10:59

Having been through it for 4 years and come out the other side, despite what your head may say, you can survive and function well on little sleep. I did and I got a promotion through that period too!

The little sleep you do get an hour or two does actually do wonders. So I would not worry about falling asleep etc, stick to a routine and get up early and you will get quite a few more hours eventually

YouTooU2 · 12/08/2024 11:23

redrudolph · 12/08/2024 10:59

Having been through it for 4 years and come out the other side, despite what your head may say, you can survive and function well on little sleep. I did and I got a promotion through that period too!

The little sleep you do get an hour or two does actually do wonders. So I would not worry about falling asleep etc, stick to a routine and get up early and you will get quite a few more hours eventually

Thank you so much for this. This is more useful than I can say!

OP posts:
YouTooU2 · 25/08/2024 07:36

Anyone still around on this thread? Struggling so much and could do with a hand hold from those who understand. Hope everyone's OK.

OP posts:
Ohyeahwaitaminute · 25/08/2024 08:12

Also Insight Timer App. Free to download. I use the sleep section and have found 2-3 ones I like. Search for yoga Nidra. It’s basically a body scan.

YouTooU2 · 25/08/2024 08:13

Thanks @ohyeahwaitaminute. Sadly magnesium didn't have much effect for me, but will look into different types

OP posts:
YouTooU2 · 25/08/2024 08:14

Also trying yoga nidras at night. They help me to stay still and in bed, and sometimes be almost trance-like, but not to actually sleep, unfortunately

OP posts:
Ohyeahwaitaminute · 25/08/2024 08:15

Those ones off Amazon are not very expensive. Maybe you were talking the wrong one?
Either way, I feel your pain. Do check in with your GP as it might be menopause related.

8008Bee · 25/08/2024 08:18

I've just ordered some sleep patches and will let you know how I get on (melatonin and other stuff in a patch you stick on your skin)

I think you're right to try and get a routine going as that can really help. I wake up too much in the night especially early morning and find I can't get back to sleep. HRT didn't help but being ruthless about going to bed at the same time and staying in bed even if I'm not sleeping and trying to relax has helped

Recently I've been trying visualisation - are you a good day dreamer as I think this helps? I've been imagining I win the lottery and build a house and mapping the rooms one by one seems to help knock me off to sleep again. Sometimes it takes 1 hour sometimes 2 or 3 but the routine of the planning seems to help.

Is it staying asleep that you're struggling with or falling asleep (or both)?

Autumn1990 · 25/08/2024 08:21

I have sleep issues. I don’t nap, I make sure I spend plenty of time outside, don’t drink. The biggest thing is for me is not to worry about falling asleep. Once I start worrying about it I don’t sleep. I tend to watch something on my iPad or listen to the world service. Generally I choose something interesting but not exciting nor with loud bits and then enjoy listening and learning more about something and because I’m not worrying about falling asleep I do.
It does run in my family unfortunately

YouTooU2 · 25/08/2024 08:30

Thanks @8008Bee . It's both falling and staying asleep. It really is brutal at the moment.

OP posts:
Marketplacevirgin · 25/08/2024 08:42

Sorry to hear this @YouTooU2

I have bouts of insomnia and have never identified any specific cause, other than being anxious.

I am generally an anxious person and have been prescribed Propranolol for physical symptoms of anxiety. I sometimes take one at night if I'm having palpitations.

I also take Kalms / Boots own Sleepeaze sometimes which do really help but I find the effectiveness wears off after a few days.

I go to bed at pretty much the same time every night- 10.30ish - but unfortunately I have to get up at 5am on 3 days each week and this causes me anxiety if I'm not sleeping well- worrying about having to go to work on not enough sleep.

I listen to the Calm app sleep stories a lot and also some of their different soundscapes- I like City Rain and Rain On Window!

But I survive and when I do sleep ok it feels like such a huge treat and I am so thankful.

And as others have said, sometimes just resting is ok, even if you're not actually asleep for long.

I hope things get easier for you.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread