Riots causing me (Muslim female) anxiety.

[Mavan1984]

I am a Muslim hijab wearing woman (born and brought up in this country). I have 3 kids under the age of 16 and the riots are causing me a great deal of anxiety. Me and dh had planned to take the kids out this weekend but we cancelled because we didn't think it was safe. I feel like we are better off just staying at home throughout the summer to protect ourselves and the kids.

I have had racist comments made at me before, but I don't want my kids to experience this. I feel like the rioting will empower others to be openly racist. I experienced this when 9/11 happened and I am just so scared because this time it feels a lot worse.

Me and dh were born to immigrant parents who worked very hard in menial jobs to educate us. We both have professional careers, but at this moment in time I feel like none of this matters and we are being attacked. Will it get any better? How can I protect my family?

A lot of my Muslim friends are feeling the same and it feels as though we have a very bleak future in this country.

You’re kidding right. It was only last week they were saying they were considering early releases for current serving prisoners due to severe overcrowding. There were hundreds of thousands at all these protests where the hell are you planning to put them. Also it doesn’t work very well when the enforcement needs to be done by the same people who hold this sentiment also. This is not a minority with this opinion it’s a bloody army.

I feel so sorry for the police. The politicins have caused this mess but it is the police who are being attacked.

So why aren’t they marching/protesting/rioting at government buildings? Why are they smashing areas of the country they love so much up?

But what exactly do they want? An end to immigration? Fine, but it’s clear that they have no desire to do any of the work that the immigrants are doing (or any work).

What do you mean "who have I spoken to"?

Are you suggesting people should flee rather than clamp down on racist violence? Which people? Asylum seekers? Muslims? Migrants of every variety? Just the black and brown ones? All black and brown people? Where do people flee to? Should my Godson flee to Sudan, even though he was born here? My mixed children only have British citizenship, where do they flee to?

You said you weren't being 'listened to'.

So, who did you speak to and what did you say?

So you agree with me. We can't just ignore them and hope they will go away.

Of course it is not easy, but doing nothing and hoping they go away just like Macron and Merkel did is just going to make things worse.

But we still have to listen to them

No we don't - we have to arrest them. Ever wonder why they all look like they have come from the same sperm bank? Why they can only communicate by shouting racist abuse and attacking peaceful people and peacekeepers? Why thry able to stormtroop around the country at a minutes notice?

They are a gang of mindless, frankly thick, knuckle draggers - and I don't have to listen to them. They need to listen to the the vast majority of peace lovers and the press themself through the ballot box.

Churches are being changed onto Mosques and the white British culture is disappearing fast in some areas so it is not about multi culturalism but about people who.have lived here for generations feeling strangers in their own communities.
You made a good point about asylum seekers. They need to be rapidly processed and those with no right to remain rapidly deported. They should not dump a load of young single men in one poor area.
But the church wasn't turned into a mosque by turfing out the thriving congregation of White Christians. It was because the church was empty. The vast majority of immigrants ( the hundreds of thousands) are here legally, on the points based immigration system, which was designed to fill areas of shortage. When they got the EU citizens kicked out, leaving massive shortages in these professions, did they retrain ( mostly for free) so they could go into these shortage professions? Because asylum seekers can't work. Legal immigrants are ' taking their jobs' because they don't want to do them. If they did, there wouldn't be 'shortages' and people wouldn't be able to get visas.

They just want to be treated fairly and not feel that they are at the bottom of the scrap heap and they don't want asylum seekers in their town.

But most of all, they want to be listened to and not written off as racist each time they raise a legitimate concern.

I’m saying what would you have said to the Jews in 1935 when it started with the night of broken glass. Remember it doesn’t start with camps it starts exactly like this. I’d imagine even then there were people like you telling them to not worry it will improve but be honest do you see the trend going towards acceptance? No the riots get larger and larger. I’m not saying they should have to do anything I’m asking at what point do you start taking steps when it appears the writing is on the wall?

Geez - churches are also being converted to private houses! The churches aren't being stolen - they are being sold because they are underused.
Do you think the mobs are rioting because they can't get to a church service? 😂😂
Think you will find the were not keeping the Sabbath holy yesterday - and have never set foot in a church.

Millions of people voted for the FN/RN and the AfD. These are both extreme right parties, so the people how voted for them are racist, yes.

Of course the EDL are racist. Where did I say they weren't?

Yeah but they aren't being ignored are they?

They have just voted Reform and Reform now have 5 MP's that will be sat in the Houses of Parliament expressing the views of the people that voted them in.

That's how democracy works. That's how you get 'listened to'.

The rioters haven't even waited for their own MP's to even go to Parliament yet!

What a joke.

They've shafted themselves before the race even began 😄

I can completely empathise, I could have written your post with the pro-palestine marches. It was giving me so much anxiety.
My and dh also cancelled trips.
It's hard, I'm sorry!

No, the Labour government are not listening. They are just writing them off as racist thugs.

They are also ignoring the ordianary people who are not rioting, but are still aggrieved. If these ordinary people raise legitimate concerns about immigration, they are just ignored and dismissed as racist (just like they are all the time on MN).

Fucking stand up against it then. Don't roll over and let it happen. It isn't 1935. If you stand by and watch you're just as bad.

Yes, the EDL want an end to immigration and want all non-white people to leave the UK, but most of the non-racist whites understand that we need immigration for certain jobs, but most do not want asylum seekers in their towns. So why are the policians not listening to them?

I am brown. I am not part of the community not being listened to. I am talking about the white working class people who are rioting because they are not being listened to.

I’m white. I’ve seen some of the live videos. There was plenty of racist comments and actions made, visible to anyone with eyes. No one can argue they aren’t racist.
Why attack mosques? Lone Asian men? Beating a black man in Manchester? Throwing missiles at Filipino nurses?
Thuggish behaviour and racist actions = Racist Thugs.

Do you? You can't understand it because you are not French ( well I am applying your logic on this. Silly, isn't it?).
I have experienced racism for being a foreigner ( especially after Brexit) and as part as a mixed ethnicities couple. Do not ever deny my experiences again.
You do not have the monopoly on experiencing racism.

i actually feel ashamed to be a white woman in Britain today.
Why?

As a white non wearing hijab woman I feel anxious/nervous walking around my local town centre where muslim men gather and leer at girls/women

Right 🙄

In other words - you have no idea what 'they' are saying that should be 'listened to', if they in fact have spoken to anyone at all, or what is is they are actually asking for.

For context - these aren't the kind of people that want to negotiate.

I was spat at aged 8 and called a 'n**ger loving cunt' by national front twats whilst I was on a peaceful 'anti-apartheid' march in London.

I know what these people want.

They want every person of colour out of this country.

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Yes, of course those people are racist thugs.

But the ordinary aggrieved white working class people are mostly not racist. But the Labour goverment will not listen to their legitimate concerns and so they will become racist just like people have in France and Germany.