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It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Spandauer · 03/08/2024 23:02

Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

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https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

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SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 14:03

People do at least talk about it here. I've never heard any talk of reform in USA

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Zonder · 17/08/2024 14:22

Thanks. I'm wondering if the general public in US actually talk about it though. Is there a movement pushing for it?

BestIsWest · 17/08/2024 14:25

There was some discussion about Electoral College reform on The Rest Is Politics US yesterday. Anthony Scaramucci wasn’t keen.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 14:44

Zonder · 17/08/2024 14:22

Thanks. I'm wondering if the general public in US actually talk about it though. Is there a movement pushing for it?

You could say the same about the UK though ? Just because a few megaphone mouths claim it's "an issue" doesn't make the Great British Public agree. The pisspoor support for AV (or whatever the blazes it was) in 2011 is proof of that.

If you lived by your Daily Bread of Telegraph alone, you would believe the only issue facing mankind right now is small boats.

There is nothing stopping the states from doing as Maine and Nebraska and allocate Electoral college votes proportionately. That would be a quick SCOTUS free win.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/08/2024 15:32

There was considerable interest in reforming the voting system back in 2010-11 until we found out what was being offered and that there was no choice about what type of PR we could vote for. Then it ceased to be discussed, because what we were being offered (in a first-past-the-post vote!) was if possible worse than first-past-the-post, and was voted down in the referendum. It seems likely that this was careful and deliberate policy by the party in power when it was proposed (Gordon Brown's.) (Cameron should have been forcibly prevented from holding referenda, but unfortunately getting his own way in that one at the expense of Nick Clegg, and in the one about Scottish independence, made him think they were a good idea. The next one definitely was not, from his point of view.)

If the states had a choice to copy Maine and Nebraska or not, what would happen is that the Blue states would allocate Electoral college votes proportionately, thus reducing the total Democratic representation by adding a few Republicans from those states, and the Red states would not, thus retaining the same level of Republican representation from those states that they have now. It would need to be universally applied or not at all.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 15:39

Meanwhile, has Trump broken another law ?

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/15/trump-netanyahu-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-call

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/08/2024 15:56

I think it would be more surprising to look at news about Trump on any given day and discover that he had done something that was not dodgy or nefarious or generally misguided, to be honest.

Zonder · 17/08/2024 16:00

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 14:44

You could say the same about the UK though ? Just because a few megaphone mouths claim it's "an issue" doesn't make the Great British Public agree. The pisspoor support for AV (or whatever the blazes it was) in 2011 is proof of that.

If you lived by your Daily Bread of Telegraph alone, you would believe the only issue facing mankind right now is small boats.

There is nothing stopping the states from doing as Maine and Nebraska and allocate Electoral college votes proportionately. That would be a quick SCOTUS free win.

I wonder if you're confusing me with someone else. Where is this aggression coming from, first response was to tell me to take the wood out of my own eye, when I have campaigned on this issue in the UK, and second response is accusing me of being a Telegraph reader.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 16:01

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/08/2024 15:56

I think it would be more surprising to look at news about Trump on any given day and discover that he had done something that was not dodgy or nefarious or generally misguided, to be honest.

The story I posted is interesting as it's predicated on Trumps own boasting I believe. So either Netanyahu is a liar, or Trump is.

I have no idea what penalties the Logan act carries. I wonder if there is a UK version ?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/08/2024 17:35

It is of course possible that both Netanyahu and Trump are liars. In fact it seems highly probable.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2024 17:39

Two worlds colliding 😀

UK political vlogger very impressed and suggests an approach in UK politics

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BruceAndNosh · 17/08/2024 19:48

Pretty tangential relationship to Trump but worth a look for a giggle

BruceAndNosh · 19/08/2024 15:55

Awww

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Spandauer · 19/08/2024 18:03

Ugh!

DA Bragg does not oppose Trump's request to delay his sentencing, instead deferring to Justice Merchan.

They note the new/complex effect of the Supreme Court's immunity ruling.

NY prosecutors' decision to defer to Merchan ramps up pressure on the judge and makes it even likelier that Trump won't face sentencing — or indeed resolution in any of his four criminal cases — before voters cast their ballots.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/19/trump-sentencing-delay-bragg-00174599

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Spandauer · 19/08/2024 18:06

Mirror, mirror on the wall...

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SerendipityJane · 19/08/2024 19:15

Interesting that the Georgia DA has told the election deniers to swivel. Again.

That's the 2020 election by the way.

I wonder if they will develop into one of these weird cults like the people who believe that James Sturt is still the rightful bloodline of Britain ?

AcrossthePond55 · 19/08/2024 20:15

Spandauer · 19/08/2024 18:03

Ugh!

DA Bragg does not oppose Trump's request to delay his sentencing, instead deferring to Justice Merchan.

They note the new/complex effect of the Supreme Court's immunity ruling.

NY prosecutors' decision to defer to Merchan ramps up pressure on the judge and makes it even likelier that Trump won't face sentencing — or indeed resolution in any of his four criminal cases — before voters cast their ballots.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/19/trump-sentencing-delay-bragg-00174599

It's not uncommon that a DA defer to a judge in a situation like this. If he hadn't and decided that there was no reason to delay the sentencing, Trump's legal beagles would have appealed to the judge anyway. So this just eliminates a step.

I have no idea what Merchan will do. I'm hoping he passes sentence anyway and lets them appeal it. Or passes sentence and defers it.

Trump isn't going to get jail time over this anyway. As much as we'd love to see it he's not going to be sitting in a jail cell on the run-up to 4 Nov. He'll just get some presumably humongous fine and possibly some penalties affecting the way (or if) he's able to do business in NY. And since this is a state case Trump won't be able to pardon himself even if he was re-elected. (Spin three times, spit on the ground, stomp on it in order to prevent that from happening)

SerendipityJane · 20/08/2024 12:05

Apparently Trump is threatening to sue over this ad. Which caused the Lincoln project to just add a clip of him crying

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Igotjelly · 20/08/2024 12:10

I know I shouldn't expect anything better from them but the push by Trump's followers to paint Kamala as having a drink problem is really low. Not sure if its because of the DNC this week but X seems like an even bigger cesspit than usual.

SerendipityJane · 20/08/2024 12:14

Igotjelly · 20/08/2024 12:10

I know I shouldn't expect anything better from them but the push by Trump's followers to paint Kamala as having a drink problem is really low. Not sure if its because of the DNC this week but X seems like an even bigger cesspit than usual.

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What was it Abe Lincoln said when his aides tried to stop him prompting Grant ?

"But Mr. President, he drinks ..."
"Well find out what whiskey he drinks and send a crate to all my other generals !"

As Brits we fondly recall Churchill as rarely sober.

BustingBaoBun · 20/08/2024 12:14

Igotjelly · 20/08/2024 12:10

I know I shouldn't expect anything better from them but the push by Trump's followers to paint Kamala as having a drink problem is really low. Not sure if its because of the DNC this week but X seems like an even bigger cesspit than usual.

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Goodness me, I haven't seen that. That is real desperation. Like criticising her laugh.

If that's all they have got to go on, she's doing OK...

Igotjelly · 20/08/2024 12:42

BustingBaoBun · 20/08/2024 12:14

Goodness me, I haven't seen that. That is real desperation. Like criticising her laugh.

If that's all they have got to go on, she's doing OK...

Yeh seems to be a real push in the last couple of days. Videos of her sitting whilst being applauded with a comment that basically she's too drunk to stand up (with absolutely no evidence of it).

BustingBaoBun · 20/08/2024 12:46

I mean... what can I say... Shock

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YankTank · 20/08/2024 12:47

BustingBaoBun · 20/08/2024 12:46

I mean... what can I say... Shock

WTF is that second photo?!?

Igotjelly · 20/08/2024 12:48

BustingBaoBun · 20/08/2024 12:46

I mean... what can I say... Shock

😂There aren't even words......

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