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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 17:50

I started teaching 3 years ago . Did half a year ECT and almost had a breakdown . The pressure , alongside a very toxic school , was unreal.

Ive been in so many schools - amazing ones , awful ones. I’ve seen terrible things that make me lose faith in the system and I’ve also seen wonderful things that make me appreciate it .

EDITED TO ADD - AMA about primary - I have no experience of secondary

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ImWearingPantaloons · 11/07/2024 18:59

What should the government do to turn things around?

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:05

JustPleachy · 11/07/2024 18:26

Do you think there should be a restructure of teaching contracts and teaching hours? If so, what do you think would be fair to all parties?

Yes. Too much work - too much data and assesments and paperwork that is all just in case OFSTED call. we can’t manage this . Marking is less productive than it should be , old lessons are used because there is no time . If the pressure was taken off then they would have more time to focus on the children.

I have had to do so much these past 2 weeks for end of year . I’m exhausted . I’m paid for 7 hours per day ( I’m supply so no holiday pay etc ) I have done 9.5 per day for 2 weeks and taken work home . Most days I eat at my desk so I can mark .

I don’t know the answer , but I do know that for most it’s not about the pay. It’s the pressure . You could double my pay and I would still want to leave .

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IncyWincyEyeroll · 11/07/2024 19:08

Teachers do a great and such an important job, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with it. Lots of parents appreciate you!

I just got end of year reports for my reception and year 4 children. They're such similar reports, is there a template/set way of doing it/Ai generated (!) approach in most primary schools?

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:08

ImWearingPantaloons · 11/07/2024 18:59

What should the government do to turn things around?

Put more funding into school for extra staff , to support those that need it . Pay TAs a decent wage so more would want to do the job . Most classes don’t have a TA of their own and if they do they are constantly called away .

Really overhaul ofsted ! Take that pressure away , make it more productive . We are marking books with such detail - that is time consuming - that let’s face it , primary children aren’t reading , it’s for OFSTED. We’re pushing children that aren’t capable or on the other end , not pushing those that are so that we can have consistent data that pleases ofsted but does nothing for the child .

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WoolyMammoth55 · 11/07/2024 19:09

Thanks for doing such a tough but important job! Flowers

What would you want as an end of year gift from your Y2 student?

Timeisnevertimeatall · 11/07/2024 19:11

Sorry to hijack your ama, but you are not correct about diagnosis of SEND. Some schools/LAs may operate (unlawfully) in that way but it is not correct to state that diagnosis is essential to secure funding.

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:13

IncyWincyEyeroll · 11/07/2024 19:08

Teachers do a great and such an important job, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with it. Lots of parents appreciate you!

I just got end of year reports for my reception and year 4 children. They're such similar reports, is there a template/set way of doing it/Ai generated (!) approach in most primary schools?

Yes it is. I’ve just wrote mine with AI. We do put the important details in , but again there is no time to do an individualised one for each child .

I don’t think this has a massive impact though . I had a template for children - as they have all been taught the same , it’s just letting the parent know what has been taught . Targets for children tend to be generic based on their ability ( eg all children at the expected standard will have the same target for English as it’s something they all need ) but if there is something specific to the child then that was added , general comments are specific to the child but for me I used an AI - so I could put specific things ( eg , easily distracted - which means doesn’t focus and talks a lot - always contributes to discussion , has lots of friends . Those phrases are put in and it generates a paragraph - so it’s still specific for the child but saves a lot of time for the teacher ) it also gives us ways to word - just won’t listen , rude , doesn’t try their best … in a more positive way !

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Jadedbuthappy82 · 11/07/2024 19:13

What SEND qualifications do you have?

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:14

Timeisnevertimeatall · 11/07/2024 19:11

Sorry to hijack your ama, but you are not correct about diagnosis of SEND. Some schools/LAs may operate (unlawfully) in that way but it is not correct to state that diagnosis is essential to secure funding.

This is just what I’ve always been told . So here you see - I’m a teacher and I don’t know the correct information ! This is what I’ve been fed

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:14

Jadedbuthappy82 · 11/07/2024 19:13

What SEND qualifications do you have?

None at all.

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:16

WoolyMammoth55 · 11/07/2024 19:09

Thanks for doing such a tough but important job! Flowers

What would you want as an end of year gift from your Y2 student?

I honestly love the “tack” - best teacher mugs , plaques etc - I really do!

chocolate and cake also goes down well !

Never money - I would feel very uncomfortable with that .

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WednesdysChild · 11/07/2024 19:16

My dn wants to become a primary school teacher and ultimately hopes to be a HT (she’s a bossy type A with a big heart so I think she might suit the job if she can survive the first ten years of her career).

Is there a way of spotting a good school to work for? I wonder what you look out for now you have some experience of changing jobs.

Thank you for all the work you do - and so sorry to hear it has burned you out.

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:17

twentysevendresses · 11/07/2024 18:18

Sorry to hear you've had such a shit time OP. I've just completed my 30th year teaching in primary...I hear you!

I used to absolutely love my job...couldn't imagine (or wanted to be) doing anything else. Not so any more...I've just cut down to 3 days a week (I turned 60 and just couldn't keep on working 70+ hours a week!)

So now I get paid to teach 3 days...and have managed to reduce my actual working hours to around 50 (my payslip tells me I'm being paid for 19.5...which is frankly a joke!)

I hope you find your balance and a school who will appreciate you xx

Thank you !

i can’t do only 3 days financially , sadly 😔

A plan for when I’m more secure though maybe !

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:17

WednesdysChild · 11/07/2024 19:16

My dn wants to become a primary school teacher and ultimately hopes to be a HT (she’s a bossy type A with a big heart so I think she might suit the job if she can survive the first ten years of her career).

Is there a way of spotting a good school to work for? I wonder what you look out for now you have some experience of changing jobs.

Thank you for all the work you do - and so sorry to hear it has burned you out.

I’m going to come back to this as I could type a long post ! I’m just making dinner x

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Queencam · 11/07/2024 19:22

My DS is finishing his reception year. They have a weather chart on the wall for behaviour. Sad cloud for bad behaviour, sunshine neutral and rainbow to reward good behaviour at the top.

What do you think about public wall chart systems like this and putting children “on the sad cloud”?

Spaceman101 · 11/07/2024 19:22

Hi thank you for the thread. Have you Found that there is a high turnover of teaching staff or is this unusual?

IncyWincyEyeroll · 11/07/2024 19:23

@boredsoscrollingonMNagain re AI and reports, thanks, that's really interesting. So you might put in a prompt like "write a report for a reception year child who has met expected standards and is chatty, confident, lots of friends, but needs to learn how to sit and listen", or similar?

It's interesting because both reports were helpful and reflected the children both pretty accurately (and some specifics to them), but both also sounded like they'd been written by the same person when actually the teachers are very different personalities/styles. So that would make sense

BrumToTheRescue · 11/07/2024 19:25

A diagnosis isn’t required for 1:1.

Have you read the SENCOP?

BestZebbie · 11/07/2024 19:26

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 18:00

Never , ever noticed this . Have heard other teachers taking about “hot dads” .

Sadly , yes some more well behaved children get a bit lost. It depends on the teachers approach to behaviour management - I am very pro “ reward based , encourages positive behaviour “ meaning that if I see negative behaviour I will highlight the behaviour shown by the well behaved children - so “ xxx is sitting beautifully , xxx can have a sticker “ however - there is a lot of time that a child that’s disruptive will do something that some children just do naturally all the time , but the disruptive child will get recognition every time they do it whereas the child that always does it , doesn’t.

it is sad. It’s the teacher desperately trying to maintain a calm environment for the others

Do you ever find that this encourages bullying of the well-behaved children?

Ime if a well-behaved or bright child is used as a named contrast to a poorly behaved or disengaged one, the poorly-behaved one is then resentful, blames that uncomfortable feeling on the other child, and then takes prompt action to reassert the perceived balance of power between the two of them once they step out of the teacher's sight together.

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:36

WednesdysChild · 11/07/2024 19:16

My dn wants to become a primary school teacher and ultimately hopes to be a HT (she’s a bossy type A with a big heart so I think she might suit the job if she can survive the first ten years of her career).

Is there a way of spotting a good school to work for? I wonder what you look out for now you have some experience of changing jobs.

Thank you for all the work you do - and so sorry to hear it has burned you out.

Actually I’m going to do it now !

I would say everything I was told in uni and ignored with my first job !

I was told if you go for a look around and there is an SLT team , looking very “corporate” with power suits and a clipboard - run . I didn’t and I wish I had . Those that talk about their results , their “ outstanding “ ofsted grade , who talk about staff wellbeing days and are really selling that as a way to grab your attention - the hard sell !

Any interview that makes you feel as though you would be lucky to be “chosen” by them .

How the staff in the school act around them, are they laughing and joking or are they approaching them with trepidation .

If on supply ( I would recommend this personally ) look at the staff room at lunchtime , look at how many staff are still squirrelling away after school , how do the staff talk - don’t have chats about their weekend etc or is it all about what they have to do . How do they talk about the head . One big one for me is - can you immediately tell who is SLT / the head - I’ve always found that the schools with the best work life balance are those where you can’t immediately place them as that means there isn’t a divide.

Try to find out the staff turnaround- teachers don’t tend to leave a good school .

One of the best schools i have worked in - they haven’t had a job opening in 5 years aside from maternity cover . I met a lovely , jolly man who I assumed was another teacher but was the head . His office door was always open - no one was scared to go and talk to him . He knew all the children’s name . If there was negative behaviour it was straight to him and he dealt with it . Parents did not come on to the school playground - him and the deputy stood at the gate and we dismiss the children to hi. . So we don’t have to have 30 different conversations, the parents had that chat with the head and he related what was necessary . The school day wasn’t jam packed - there were gaps so you could catch up on things , there was 20 min per day just for children to read . Assemblies were done by him with no teachers staying - that time was theirs . Live marking was in place so you could address issues there and then. The staff room was full at lunchtime , no teachers ever did break duty , everyone was happy. No staff member was nervous about observations as I was told they are so productive and it’s never criticism.

The school that almost broke me - staff room was empty ( on my look around I was told no work was allowed to be bought to the staff room so that staff could relax ) , they showed me a gym for the staff - I never saw one staff member in there as there was no time . No staff member ever approached the head or SLT as they were scared , they just tried to sort it themselves . Staff members let a lot of behaviour go ignored as if they bought it up to SLT there was blame to the teacher . Staff were not able to go to the toilet if on break duty as no one to cover. Weren’t allowed to leave the building until at least 45 mins after all children had gone . In my short time there I witnessed 7 teaches be bought to tears by lesson observations. 3 staff members went off sick with mental health as the reason - which was disclosed to us and basically we were told - if you can’t hack it , leave . All they ever talked about was their outstanding status . When I started there 80% of the staff were new - so why weren’t the ones from the previous year there ? The heads office was seperate from the school and I never once saw her within the actual school .

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:50

IncyWincyEyeroll · 11/07/2024 19:23

@boredsoscrollingonMNagain re AI and reports, thanks, that's really interesting. So you might put in a prompt like "write a report for a reception year child who has met expected standards and is chatty, confident, lots of friends, but needs to learn how to sit and listen", or similar?

It's interesting because both reports were helpful and reflected the children both pretty accurately (and some specifics to them), but both also sounded like they'd been written by the same person when actually the teachers are very different personalities/styles. So that would make sense

Pretty much that , yes.

The reports are still individual to the child, it just takes away having to write it and word it correctly and professionally.

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Theimpossiblegirl · 11/07/2024 19:51

We don't all use AI for our reports. All of mine are individually written but obviously they will be in my style so there may be similarities between children if they have similar personalities or are working at the same level.

boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:54

BestZebbie · 11/07/2024 19:26

Do you ever find that this encourages bullying of the well-behaved children?

Ime if a well-behaved or bright child is used as a named contrast to a poorly behaved or disengaged one, the poorly-behaved one is then resentful, blames that uncomfortable feeling on the other child, and then takes prompt action to reassert the perceived balance of power between the two of them once they step out of the teacher's sight together.

Edited

I’ve not seen this , I am primarily KS1 though and bullying isn’t as common there .

Personally , I don’t directly compare . I wouldn’t say “ oh ben , look at home Emily is sitting “ I would see a child for example , turning around and talking . I wouldn’t address it but I would say “ well done Emily , you are sitting beautifully, you can have a sticker …. well done John you are not talking and are showing me you’re ready to learn - you can have a sticker too “ with the aim that those not doing what they should would then do it as they want a sticker too. We are told it’s best to address the positive behaviour rather than the negative… we are also told that we shouldn’t compare children directly by name as that could be embarrassing and humiliating .

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 11/07/2024 19:55

Theimpossiblegirl · 11/07/2024 19:51

We don't all use AI for our reports. All of mine are individually written but obviously they will be in my style so there may be similarities between children if they have similar personalities or are working at the same level.

I’m sure lots of teachers don’t , of course ! Hats off to you - I struggle with report writing !

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MrWatzisname · 11/07/2024 19:56

Ditto in that I write my own reports too.

I know time is of the essence but I'm actually really sad to think that a robot could be writing my kids reports :(

I'd rather have a less professionally written report but by the teacher themselves (though I know many teachers write professionally anyway!)