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French tenses are impossible!!!

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Curlewwoohoo · 06/07/2024 16:59

Trying to learn some French on Duolingo before our summer hol. I just can't get my head around tenses at all! I'm really trying... I think I got stuck at the same point at school, many moons ago...

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TonTonMacoute · 06/07/2024 19:53

Curlewwoohoo · 06/07/2024 17:49

Don't get me wrong I'm not expecting to learn to speak French properly. I just wanted to make an effort to get some phrases in my brain before we go there at the end of August. I want to seem polite!

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This is a commendable attitude, and it will be appreciated. I have been thanked by French people for making the effort to speak French.

However, you don't need to know the tenses just to get by on holiday. Following my first trip to France I started learning at my local adult education. I have really enjoyed it, my French is now pretty good and I have made many friends along the way, but it's been 15 years and I still struggle with verb conjugation sometimes.

In spite of this the French I use in day to day transactions is pretty limited.

I would spend the next week thinking about what things you say in English in supermarkets, shops and restaurants, and focussing on learning those in French first. It will probably be more than enough.

fungipie · 06/07/2024 20:04

tinydynamine · 06/07/2024 19:49

I speak 6 languages...what I was trying to say it is often easier for all parties if communication is in English.

Yes, I know, I speak several languages too. But although it may be easier for the traveller, it does smack of superiority and as said, often, of anglo-saxon arrogance. I've lived abroad, and one of my sons and family live abroad, and our attitude has always been that whomever chooses to live abroad, and to some extent, to travel and visit abroad, should make an effort and not rely on English. It makes people really happy and leads to respect and many contacts and friendships that would not happen otherwise.

I applaud anyone who has a go and tries- even at basic communicative level. Respect. As for those who live in France, Italy, Spain, etc, and who can't be bothered to learn the language, even after years, even decades- I find it very sad (and arrogant). And I am not talking about perfect grammar or use of difficult tenses and structures here.

tinydynamine · 06/07/2024 20:17

Yes, it can smack of Anglo-Saxon arrogance but not when a German speaks English to a French person?

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pointythings · 06/07/2024 20:22

But all languages have irregular verbs! English has a whole massive list of them!

I'm Dutch and old, so when I was at school, we were drilled on all this stuff - starting with English and French in Yr7, adding in German in Yr8. I had an unfair advantage because I was already English/Dutch bilingual, but the rest of it was a matter of learning by rote. 10 irregular verbs per week, weekly tests which counted towards the final mark for the year. For all three languages. Then vocabulary tests added to that as well. You have to put in the hard yards, I'm afraid.

If it's any consolation, compared to Dutch, French is beautifully rule based and consistent. German is even better. Dutch on the other hand is a hot mess.

scalt · 06/07/2024 20:22

If it's for a holiday, then phrases are far more useful than the finer points of grammar.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 06/07/2024 20:27

Duolingo recently fired a bunch of staff and replaced them with AI, fwiw

AmelieTaylor · 06/07/2024 20:33

Curlewwoohoo · 06/07/2024 18:40

I struggle with the kids English homework too, they're in yrs 2 & 4! We didn't get taught these things in the same way.

@Curlewwoohoo I was in the generation of kids where they though teaching English was unimportant & our interpretation of poetry far more important 🙄🙄

Fortunately I took French & learnt there.

Hours spent conjugating verbs and learning things off by heart.

If you just want a few phrases, just Google translate as you think of things you want to ask.

where abouts in France are you going??

EBearhug · 06/07/2024 21:58

As has been said, Duolingo isn't great for language learning. It's okay for vocab/revision, but it doesn't teach you real understanding. I have been learning Dutch through it, but I brought a grammar book alongside, so I could understand what I was doing. Also, I'm an experienced language learner, having spent most of my adult years doing evening classes in one language or another, and I've done bit of teaching Englush as a foreign language.

I'm finding Dutch fairly easy on Duolingo, because I'm a native English speaker and have German to AS-level, and it's somewhere between the two. Without that background, some stuff, like separable verbs, would make no sense at all. But I already know the concept from German, (where I did find them very confusing when I first came across them,) so I just need to learn the Dutch vocab, not the whole grammatical structure.

I think learning any language with no concept of the grammar will be a challenge, because it's the building blocks - learn the pattern and it unlocks a new layer of things you can say. But if you don't understand the patterns, you can't apply them, and Duolingo doesn't really teach that well.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 06/07/2024 22:55

fungipie · 06/07/2024 19:20

I find this attitude of so many British people,and Americans, sad, and I am afraid, very arrogant. And the bit when some just repeat louder and louder!
Make a bit of an effort, make mistakes too- and they will love and respect you for it.

When I was in Paris overnight last year I rallied my A-level French from 30-odd years ago & managed to make myself understood ok - I just didn’t always understand the replies at first, so I’d definitely prioritise YouTube or podcasts where you can practise listening & understanding.

fungipie · 07/07/2024 11:21

tinydynamine · 06/07/2024 20:17

Yes, it can smack of Anglo-Saxon arrogance but not when a German speaks English to a French person?

Well different situation, difference reasons.

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