Death penalty

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I don't want to be roasted. I do believe in it. For personal reasons it's definitely valid in my opinion.
I believe if you're so heinous in your behaviour to warrant that sentence then yes.
I'm all for it.
I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion. So I'm really only talking about people who confessed or where there was truly evidence they were guilty.
I'm asking as my mum is dead set against it. No matter what.
Whereas, my dad said he'd be the executioner if he believed their guilt for sex crimes etc.
So. Im just curious really.
I hope my thread is not deleted.... I know lots of people like to complain.

I don’t think most people are sad when a violent criminal dies. I’m definitely not. I thought the world was a better place when Myra Hindley, Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe finally kicked the bucket. Doesn’t mean I support state sanctioned murder though.

You keep saying this as if it makes a difference. It doesn’t. Do you think all the people who are killed by the state in the US have cases where no-one is really sure what happened, maybe they did maybe they didn’t? All the people put to death have “watertight” cases of absolute certainty of guilt.

The state should not have the right to murder its own citizens.

I am against the death penalty in all cases except one where I end up in prison for life or anything longer than about a year, then I'd be much happier just being quietly and painlessly put to sleep. In fact, until we legalise euthanasia, confessing to a capital offense I didn't commit would be my backup plan! But I'd never be for killing anyone else unless they wanted to die.

@Lwrenn I absolutely agree with this.

Also, having worked in the prison service and seeing some of the people that are attracted to those jobs, I'd be extremely concerned about anyone who would apply to administer the death penalty.

Yes, I would hold the same view.

This arguement has never made sense to me. It it was my loved one, I'd want the person to die. I actually think if the situation arose and I had nothing else to live for, and if I physically strong enough, I'd even kill them myself.

But I don't think that a fair justice system should be based on what each of us personally would do for our children. If someone told me that the only way to save my child was to kill ten innocent adults, well, I think that I'd do it. I hopefully will never have to find out just how far I would go for my children, I suspect it's very ugly and very far indeed. That doesn't mean that I think my right to kill for my child should be enshrined in law, though. Precisely because we are human and act out of love and self interest, we need laws that are objective and step outside of the individual feelings of each of us.

Law should reflect justice.

I am for the death penalty for the most heinous crimes.

I have worked in prisons and I’m 99% against it.

Firstly, there have been many occasions where someone has been wrongly convicted.

Secondly, having to live with what you’ve done is a worse punishment than dying.

Either they get a conscious and it haunts them or they live having to look over their shoulder because other prisoners and staff know what they’ve done.

I can’t stand when terrorists or husbands who kill their wife and kids etc kill themselves after.
Its the cowards way out and they should pay for their crimes.

The 1% that makes me for it, is because it costs the tax payer a lot of money to keep them housed and fed.
In many ways they have a better life than someone who is homeless or on a very low income and can’t afford 3 meals a day and hot water.

Some of them also love the attention they receive and get women wanting to do anything for them.

There is also a chance that they could reoffend.

I think we should firstly make it a legal requirement for sex offenders to be chemically castrated because it’s shocking how many go on to reoffend.

@AgathaAllAlong unfortunately, I am aware of this. I know my post won't change anything.
I am just so involved with cases at work where I do see a lot of cases and trouble.
I always want to help

Really !!

You're making excuses for the scummy paedophile.
🙄

I would genuinely leave this country if it enacted the death penalty. It would be a very serious sign that we had lost our way, and it wouldn't be a society I'd want to be part of.

Doesn’t it actually cost more to have someone on death row and eventually carry out the death penalty than it does just to have them imprisoned for life? So the cost arguement is irrelevant.

I could never support the death penalty. Look at the USA, hardly a deterrent is it.

Right. That's a good point actually. I wouldn't trust the current government to do anything..

I don't want to live in a country where the state kills humans.

That's not civilisation.

There's no evidence it's effective. It's just barbarism. Plain and simple.

I’m not, I’m just taking issue with the pp saying now she’s a mum she supports the death penalty. It’s far more complex than this. And no matter how heinous the crime, I don’t support the right of the state to kill someone.

I guess we don't rape rapists, we don't beat & punch those convicted of assault, so I guess I don't really see the logic in just doing it for murder.
Not necessarily saying I disagree in all circs!

I'm opposed to it. I think life imprisonment is a greater punishment than the death penalty which is over and done with in a minute.

I agree. Also, what about the people who are convicted for something they didn't actually do - and it happens more often than you might think. You can't bring them back.

A society with a death penalty is not a society I want to be a part of. We are better than that, surely?

By killing people? Seriously though, you need more joined up thinking than just kill all the baddies. 25% of the prison population were in care as children. There is a direct link between the two. Helping would involve many more resources being directed at children to avoid them turning to crime in the first place. Not executing people.

No, absolutely and passionately anti death penalty myself.

1. drawing an arbitrary line between which crimes are and are not ‘heinous’ is too subjective when you have to take into account who committed it and why, who the victim was, etc
2. discriminatory sentencing possibilities
3. public expense
4. the method: just look at the awful situation in US where more and more pharma companies won’t allow their drugs to be used (rightly IMO) so states start experimenting with others, leading to cruel and inhumane executions
5. who is going to be the executioner? Those who are keen to do it shouldn’t be allowed IMO, but equally you can’t force those who don’t want to do it. How does the Hippocratic oath allow doctors to take part?

I get it - it’s a fascinating subject, I was a child who was ghoulishly obsessed, reading Albert Pierrepoint’s diary, loved the Chamber of Horrors execution section 😏 but it’s historical and must remain so. It has no place in modern society.

The death penalty is never going to come back in this country. Better to focus on getting a functioning justice system, enough prison spaces, and enough police.

Around 30 people are killed every year by killers that have murdered before and have been released back into society.

The current system is killing innocent people.

I'm in favour for cases such as these.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66247471

"The mother-of-two had been 17 weeks pregnant with her first daughter, who had already been given the name Neeve.

Ms Jules-Hough suffered brain injuries and died, along with her unborn child, in hospital two days later.

Her nine-year-old son and four-year-old nephew, who were in the car along with her other son, were left in a coma with serious brain injuries."

@TheAlchemistElixa well
We don't always know the entire reason. I guarantee if God forbid it was your child or family member who left you in this situation they would be looking after you.
I most definitely would.

@BarHumbugs I know. That is a real worry. I am often concerned about the calibre of people the government gives power/jobs to.

I work in child services and the things I've seen/heard would make your skin crawl. I've always agreed with the death penalty as often times when a heinous crime is committed they had previous convictions and were let go.
It makes no sense. These perpetrators usually go on to commit worse crimes

I work in criminal justice so I'm well aware of the type of stories you mean. I've worked with sex offenders and murderers.

By your own logic though, the death penalty would not stop those. Most murderers don't go on to commit another murder. The previous convictions probably wouldn't be for crimes heinous enough to warrant the death penalty.

What is the purpose of punishment?
Retribution - Death penalty probably would work for that)
Deterrent - Debatable that the death penalty would have much impact
Reduce recidivism - It would obviously work for the death penalty eligible crime but it would be debatable if it would work beyond those crimes
Public protection - As above
Rehabilitation - Obviously it won't work for that!