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Ehcp school admissions

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Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 11:57

I know I can look at the schools admissions policy. But it confuses me and I can't take it in. But I will look later and get some help to .

But just for now do secondary schools often give priority to pupils with EHCP applying for year 7?

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Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 12:58

Soontobe60 · 28/06/2024 12:43

No - in fact it’s basically the opposite. My year 6 EHCP pupils have all got places at their preferred choices of schools. At their Yr Annual Reviews, we looked very carefully at secondary school provision, I commissioned reports from EPs and our local SEN advisory service and between parents and ourselves with the LA SEN officer, we decided on which schools would be best / preferred. 3 are going to special school, 1 to mainstream although the 1 going to mainstream is going against professionals advice and it is purely parental choice.

I don't know what EPs is?
But it sounds like myself senco and myself will look into it tother and decide what's best for DS and choose the schools that can meet his needs ?

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Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 13:03

Sprogonthetyne · 28/06/2024 12:49

Reviews are generally a year apart, unless someone calls an emergency review, so there'll be another one in about 6 months. As he'll be half way through Y5, they will probably want to use that review to plan his secondary placement, so it would be good to start looking at options now, so you know where to ask for.

Is there a meeting regarding secondary school not long after they join into year 5 ? Or have I imagined that 🤔

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Sprogonthetyne · 28/06/2024 13:07

Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 12:58

I don't know what EPs is?
But it sounds like myself senco and myself will look into it tother and decide what's best for DS and choose the schools that can meet his needs ?

EP's are Educational psychologists

They look at how the child's doing educationally, how they learn and what support they might need. Their reports are used as evidence for the EHCP.

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Sprogonthetyne · 28/06/2024 13:14

Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 13:03

Is there a meeting regarding secondary school not long after they join into year 5 ? Or have I imagined that 🤔

There may be at your school, they don't have to combine it with the y5 review, many just do to save time. If your unsure, talk to your SENCo, they're there to help and guide you.

Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 13:18

Sprogonthetyne · 28/06/2024 13:07

EP's are Educational psychologists

They look at how the child's doing educationally, how they learn and what support they might need. Their reports are used as evidence for the EHCP.

Ah yes he's had that when the ehcp was being applied for. So they will basically assess him to see where he's at . And decide what's right for him.

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DexaVooveQhodu · 28/06/2024 13:20

Not all EHCPs will name a school. Some EHCPs will set out a child's additional needs and the extra accommodations and adjustments they will need but if those needs are such that several local schools will be suitable then the EHCP will not name a school and you apply with the ordinary process and don't get any priority. However if the normal process allocates a school that cannot meet the needs in the EHCP then that can be adjusted on appeal.

BrumToTheRescue · 28/06/2024 13:25

Some EHCPs will set out a child's additional needs and the extra accommodations and adjustments they will need but if those needs are such that several local schools will be suitable then the EHCP will not name a school and you apply with the ordinary process and don't get any priority. However if the normal process allocates a school that cannot meet the needs in the EHCP then that can be adjusted on appeal.

This is completely incorrect. Pupils with EHCPs do not go through the normal application process. There are limited reasons LAs can refuse to name parental preference and of the school is named in I they must admit.

Not all EHCPs will name a school.

This is correct, but not in the way you think it applies. Not all EHCPs will name a school. Some will have section I blanket for EOTAS. Some will just have a type of setting named - and parents should appeal in this case.

GunsnSchmoses · 28/06/2024 13:25

I would agree with @BrumToTheRescue don’t trust that the SENCO understands your rights. They rarely have legal training and don’t typically know how things should work with naming schools. I understand that the information is really overwhelming to read through. Maybe you could try to get a helpline call with IPSEA or SOS SEN. They will be able to explain your rights to you.

BrumToTheRescue · 28/06/2024 13:26

Not all DC are assessed by an EP during the phase transfer process. Many aren’t. If you want DS to be reassessed you should request a reassessment of needs. IPSEA has a model letter you can use if you want to do this.

Lougle · 28/06/2024 13:28

DexaVooveQhodu · 28/06/2024 13:20

Not all EHCPs will name a school. Some EHCPs will set out a child's additional needs and the extra accommodations and adjustments they will need but if those needs are such that several local schools will be suitable then the EHCP will not name a school and you apply with the ordinary process and don't get any priority. However if the normal process allocates a school that cannot meet the needs in the EHCP then that can be adjusted on appeal.

That is not the case. If parents request a school, the child must be admitted unless the limited grounds for refusal are met.

SEND Code of Practice

Requests for a particular school, college or other institution
Relevant legislation: Sections 33 and 39 of the Children and Families Act 2014

9.78 The child’s parent or the young person has the right to request a particular school, college or other institution of the following type to be named in their EHC plan:

• maintained nursery school
• maintained school and any form of academy or free school (mainstream or special)
• non-maintained special school
• further education or sixth form college
• independent school or independent specialist colleges (where they have been approved for this purpose by the Secretary of State and published in a list available to all parents and young people)

9.79 If a child’s parent or a young person makes a request for a particular nursery, school or post-16 institution in these groups the local authority must comply with that preference and name the school or college in the EHC plan unless:
• it would be unsuitable for the age, ability, aptitude or SEN of the child or young person, or
• the attendance of the child or young person there would be incompatible with the efficient education of others, or the efficient use of resources Efficient education means providing for each child or young person a suitable, appropriate education in terms of their age, ability, aptitude and any special educational needs they may have. Where a local authority is considering the appropriateness of an individual institution, ‘others’ is intended to mean the children and young people with whom the child or young person with an EHC plan will directly come into contact on a regular day-to-day basis.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7dcb85ed915d2ac884d995/SEND_Code_of_Practice_January_2015.pdf

Lougle · 28/06/2024 13:41

@Idontgetit33 I think this has become very confusing because @BrumToTheRescue is telling you what the legal process is and most other people are telling you what they think might happen in their LA.

The law is the same all over the country. The legislation is Part 3 of the Children and Families Act 2014. The SEN Code of Practice Here puts that into a more easily read guide. Anywhere you see 'must' means that the LA has to do it. Anywhere you see 'should' means that if they don't, the LA would have to justify why they didn't at Tribunal.

At your phase transfer review (the annual review of your child's EHCP in their last year of primary school), you will be issued with a draft EHCP, and asked to make any comments on the draft. At that point, you will also be asked which school you would like to be named on the EHCP.

Think about whether you want your DS to continue in Mainstream, or if you would like him to attend a Special School - Special School places are not easy to get and you need to be building the evidence now if you want one.

If you want him to continue in Mainstream, go along and start looking this year at the schools - they will have open days for the current year 5s heading for year 6, and that's a good opportunity to look at what they're 'selling' to the parents. Ask about their SEN provision, generally. Check out their attitude to SEN - does it get mentioned, or do they bang on about their 'high achievers'? Look at their behaviour policies - do they show a good awareness of SEN and how it can impact behaviour?

When you receive the draft, you will name the school you want to. The LA must name it unless they can show that it is unable to meet your child's needs, or to admit your child would be incompatible with an efficient use of resources.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7dcb85ed915d2ac884d995/SEND_Code_of_Practice_January_2015.pdf

Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 14:03

Lougle · 28/06/2024 13:41

@Idontgetit33 I think this has become very confusing because @BrumToTheRescue is telling you what the legal process is and most other people are telling you what they think might happen in their LA.

The law is the same all over the country. The legislation is Part 3 of the Children and Families Act 2014. The SEN Code of Practice Here puts that into a more easily read guide. Anywhere you see 'must' means that the LA has to do it. Anywhere you see 'should' means that if they don't, the LA would have to justify why they didn't at Tribunal.

At your phase transfer review (the annual review of your child's EHCP in their last year of primary school), you will be issued with a draft EHCP, and asked to make any comments on the draft. At that point, you will also be asked which school you would like to be named on the EHCP.

Think about whether you want your DS to continue in Mainstream, or if you would like him to attend a Special School - Special School places are not easy to get and you need to be building the evidence now if you want one.

If you want him to continue in Mainstream, go along and start looking this year at the schools - they will have open days for the current year 5s heading for year 6, and that's a good opportunity to look at what they're 'selling' to the parents. Ask about their SEN provision, generally. Check out their attitude to SEN - does it get mentioned, or do they bang on about their 'high achievers'? Look at their behaviour policies - do they show a good awareness of SEN and how it can impact behaviour?

When you receive the draft, you will name the school you want to. The LA must name it unless they can show that it is unable to meet your child's needs, or to admit your child would be incompatible with an efficient use of resources.

Thank you.

There is to much information here for me to take in with your post . I will try and read it again on a bit . But it's just going over my head at the moment.

I was looking for om a nut shell tyoe replies as I will just get confused.

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Lougle · 28/06/2024 14:05

Idontgetit33 · 28/06/2024 14:03

Thank you.

There is to much information here for me to take in with your post . I will try and read it again on a bit . But it's just going over my head at the moment.

I was looking for om a nut shell tyoe replies as I will just get confused.

In a nutshell, you get to name your preference. In most cases, the LA will name that school.

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