Tell me the positive things about leaving the European Court of human rights ?

[Leniriefenfarage]

Apparently the government are considering taking us out of it.
So what are the good things we can look forward to ?

And yes the UK has copied Australia with the Rwandan project.
Then again what country votes to take its citizens out of an institution that protects human rights and also that enables seamless trade and freedom of movement.

You may like it, but it's record on human rights, particularly for asylum seekers it ghastly.

But I suspect you're one of those people who would cheer on the drownings...

Well I’m not the only one obviously. I often see positive threads on here particularly when it comes to attracting medics etc

But I don’t mind if you think it’s terrible. The citizens there are happy with it which is what counts and importantly international trade and standing with human rights positioning is good.

Don’t visit or live there, fine by me. I’m sure they will be ok too

I could also say NZ not in the ECHR but I don’t know it as well as Aus

Doesn't Australia do a lot of trade with it's closest neighbours?

And obviously, countries outside of Europe are unlikely to be in the ECHR. It's frankly stupid to use them as examples...

Of course it isn’t. It shows how democratic western countries with good international standing do it successfully for their citizens.

They trade successfully yes with many countries including close by, no FOM however

And why does it have no problems attracting medics ? Because of the utter shitshow the tories have turned the NHS into.
I’m pretty sure it’s not because Australia isn’t in the ECHR.

Russia were recently suspended from ECHR but they were in previously. This isn’t to say they followed it, they actively disregarded the rulings but they were part of it until suspension. The suspension was due to leaving the Council of Europe, which was also not by choice.

Belarus not being part of it is due to Uncle Luka having the final say and not even pretending to take rights seriously.

So I guess, let’s not use Russia as the yard stick for what we don’t want all the time? Especially as they didn’t elect to leave.

Of course it isn’t.

Well, yes, actually it is. It pretty much shows you haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about. As if we couldn't see that from the rest of your nonsensical witterings

The point was it’s often seen as attractive on mn despite pp suggesting it was a place they’d avoid

Fine I’m sure they’ll survive. But Aus is attractive as a country

Yeah agree. UK was once an attractive nation. Whole country gutted til nothing is left but a poor copy of the US. Now that is sad.

This is the most convincing argument for voting Labour I have seen yet. It's so important that our leaders value the rule of law, and the same laws for all of us equally.

Oh there it is, I missed your obligatory raging insult as per usual.

Carry on spinning. Aussies won’t miss you.

Er, why would I give a shit about the Aussies?

Are you on the right board?

We could start by duplicating all current laws and then our judges would apply them instead of our competitors in Europe.

There's a conflict of interest with the current setup.

Those people saying that the minute it's gone we'll turn into a dictatorship or whatever are being childish. We were not one before we helped create the court.

It's not going to happen because Labour who will be running the country have no plans to take us out of the ECHR.

Looking forward to anything on the basis that the conservatives (or reform) have it in their manifesto would be mad.

The Human Rights Act duplicates all ECHR laws into our laws. Then our Supreme Court judges interpretation them in accordance with the European Convention on Human Rights. Our judges do apply the law. The government still doesn't like it.

I'm deeply suspicious of all international organisations. I don't want judges or politicians from outside these islands passing laws, or coming up with policies, that impact my life. I'm all for getting together to hash out disputes and prevent wars, but that's all. Crazy huh?! How mad and irrational – actually having faith in your own country and wanting your own judges and lawmakers. What a loopy, far-right nutcase I must be. 🙄

International organisations are quite useful for hashing out disputes or preventing wars though. If you have international organisations, you don't have to hastily convene people from all over the world who won't be readily available every time something happens (and let's face it, something is happening pretty much all the time). But hey, if you're in favour of inventing the wheel every time you want to roll down a hill, fill your boots.

I can't see why anyone would think it's a good idea to get rid of it and bring more power to this government.
We should be proud to be signed up to it, especially with the history of it! To echo what KS said on the debate how can you represent the UK on the international stage if you're a pariah. How will we ever be taken seriously?

People who believe it's only to get rid of immigration are the naeive ones...

@ilikecatsandponies yes, I agree. This kind of came up as a result of him talking about the illegal prorogation of parliament and how scandalous that was and Trump in the USA; basically his point was that it's imperative that a serious country has a set of rules that everybody adheres to, however high up the chain they are. KS might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm convinced that he will follow the law to the letter and that's not nothing after this shit show of a government.

Most countries, at least the ones with any standing in the world, are part of International treaties. All our laws automatically have to comply with international treaties. It's very easy to throw away our obligations, forgetting that they come with rights for citizens. Our judges do decide our law because our law states that we must comply with international treaties. For that, they get called ' enemies of the people' by our press. If we only comply with our own laws, we will be a pariah state. Alone in the world as a country that has broken numerous treaties we belong to. We wont be getting together to hash out disputes because no one will trust us to do what we say. If we have our own ' bill of rights' with no International obligations, any party with a large enough majority can just repeal it. That means no rights for any of us.