Lucy Letby denied leave to appeal

[Viviennemary]

Just heard on the news Lucy Letby the convicted serial killer has been denied leave to appeal. Good decision I think. She should stay behind bars for the rest of her life.

I've pointed out above one instance where she was demonstrated to have lied about her knowledge of air embolism in babies.

Richard Gill is a notorious conspiracy theorist linked with Sarrita Adams, who is even worse. Anyone doubting the reliability of the conviction and relying on what they say is seriously wasting their time.

Multiple conspiracy theories have later been proven to be true.

The falsification that sticks in my mind is writing herself into another baby’s notes to provide herself with an alibi for the time of one of the deaths. But she was accused of falsifying other sets of notes to cover her tracks. Although there may be plausible reasons for those notes having been changed.

Not sure about specific incidents of lying but the judge felt it was necessary to point out she’d been shown to have lied during his sentencing remarks. Do have a vague memory of her tying herself in knots during her testimony.

Such as?

The way in which people are tying themselves in knots to defend this depraved bitch is despicable.

seriously some people are comparing her to sally Clark? Ffs.

I would advise any parent of any of her victims never to come on here for any kind of support, because I have 0 doubt that the Lucy Letby fan club would be telling them that they should want the truth to be out according to the New Yorker.

Incidentally, I discovered an article from an American psychologist with a fairly convincing argument for Rose West’s innocence. Maybe you’d all like to start a love-in for her next.

But they weren't.

They didn't convict in all counts.

They did find reasonable doubt on some cases.

It's the fact it wasn't a straight "guilty" across the board which makes me sway to the side it was a fair jury.

I think if emotions drove the verdict they'd have just said guilty to all once they were convinced of guilt for some.

And there is at least one death that didn’t make it to court because the baby’s condition at the time could be a more likely explanation for their death.

I think some people are forgetting that some of these babies will have been in excruciating pain due to the injuries caused to them.

You have to have grounds for appeal. It would be a rather expensive waste of time otherwise. All paid for by the taxpayer.

Thank you

The link you provide takes me straight to the article - no need to copy and paste any URLs into it

Yes, this occurred to me too

Or put the jistice system in the hands of ITV (vis a vis Post Office)!!

In any case, the media does have a not insignificant role with investigative journalism in uncovering miscarriages of justice. Not saying that it happened here - just that it would be naive to casually dismiss the New Yorker article

Though I suspect the opprobrium heaped on Letby would be less were she male because of the visceral horror with which female crime against children is viewed . Compare the media's treatment of Myra Hindley with Ian Huntley - it's Hindley who moved into the iconic emblem of evil

(though we know the grounds for an appeal relates to four applications her barristers made at trial being denied)

One of the babies was 27 weeks and less that 2 lb , others mentioned were twins and one needed a long line - these aren’t babies just needing temperature regulation and a feeding tube - they clearly were sick and / or fragile. Seems like the unit was taking babies it couldn’t care for at the level they had been given and that could be an issue

Yes, I had wondered about those slew of cot deaths and the 'statistical likelihood' evidence given by that now notorious expert subsequently shown to be fallacious (Professor Meadows, IIRC)

I’ve also spent a lot of time in nicu and scbu. They are BUSY. I was never ever in a room with less than 3 members of staff at any time even nights - the fact she was never seen to harm a baby but also reported to have been alone sometimes I find really strange

I don't think the justice system is infallible, but I think broadly it is fit for purpose and I think if they were able to persuade a jury that this young, pretty nurse was a multiple-baby killer she probably is.

I also think if she was an equally young male nurse no-one would be questioning the verdict!!

People questioning it or not is by the by though. Some cases will always receive more publicity and coverage than others but it’s not really an argument to say ‘she is young and blonde therefore anyone uneasy with the verdict is clearly just biased in her favour.’

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It’s perfectly possible that some jurors were satisfied that she’d been found guilty of at least one count and therefore weren’t bothered about absolutely all of them being guilty as they knew she’d be getting an enormous sentence anyway.

Nobody knows if this is the case but I don’t think the fact she wasn’t found guilty on all charges is a slam dunk that it’s a fair jury.

No, there doesn't.

Grounds for an appeal against a criminal conviction include:

• poor representation at the trial
• mistakes or misconduct of the trial judge
• jury irregularities
• bias
• inconsistent verdicts
• disclosure issues.

Though, yes, the most common basis is fresh evidence.

I am still a bit stunned after reading that investigative journalism article. I had only read in a glancing fashion about her arrest and conviction, and assumed it was an open and shut case.

I am also stunned that anyone would call The New Yorker magazine "some tacky trash mag".

It has been, for as long as I can remember, a well-regarded literary bastion, and a quick look at Wiki (for those not familiar with it, or muddling it with the New York Post) describes it as "a preeminent forum for serious fiction, essays and journalism."

I always thought it strange they made such a big deal about her searching for the parents on FB. It's the kind of thing I would do. Interesting in that article that it said she'd searched over 2000 other people, random people she'd met at her dance classes etc, don't remember that being said at the time.