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Voting question regarding poorer people

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Dogeatsdog24 · 22/05/2024 17:23

So my understanding is the gap between rich and poor is getting bigger it seems to me rishi has picked on the most vulnerable people ie poor/low income /disabled/ill /elderly etc .

So my question is now you have to have photo ID to vote . Is this a stunt to stop people voting. Which are more likely to be the vulnerable people I mentioned above? As they may be less likely to have a passport /driving licence.

I understand you can apply for photo ID on the government site. But the only reason I know this is because mumsnet told me otherwise I would have had no idea. There will be millions of others that do not know as well. And all non votes automatically go to him.

So is it a ploy to get more votes/stop people voting ... am I talking shit?

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 22/05/2024 21:31

Itsonlymashadow · 22/05/2024 18:01

@Dogeatsdog24 where did you get the idea that non votes go to RS?

That is an absolutely bonkers assumption. However bad we are, we're not Russia or North Korea! (yet!)

4thJuly2024 · 22/05/2024 21:36

Dogeatsdog24 · 22/05/2024 18:23

I have learning difficulties . There's probably lots of things that are seen as basic that I don't understand. I have voted in the past on and off . Because part of me has thought how can I vote for something I don't fully understand.

@Dogeatsdog24

Frankly if more people admitted they don't understand & didn't vote it would be better.

if you have the capacity then reading & understanding is good, but there's no point in putting a mark in a box if it's simply just picking one

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Needmorelego · 22/05/2024 21:40

@Dogeatsdog24 I didn't mean my question to be rude or insult you btw.
I was just curious.
How did you not have a polling card though.
If you're registered to vote they get sent out a few weeks before an election.
(Although I think you have to be registered by a certain date in time for the cards to be sent out)
Or do you mean you had never been registered before and you've literally only just registered for the first time?
The letter for being registered to vote goes to every household in the UK with the names of who in the household can vote listed on it. Most people will be added to the letter by their parents when they are 17 (you can be on the form at 17 but not vote until 18).
Did your parents never add you to the list?
Edit: sorry just re read that you said you've voted in the past. So how come you weren't registered to vote recently.
The letter to be on the electoral role is sent out yearly to every household.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 22/05/2024 21:41

4thJuly2024 · 22/05/2024 21:36

@Dogeatsdog24

Frankly if more people admitted they don't understand & didn't vote it would be better.

if you have the capacity then reading & understanding is good, but there's no point in putting a mark in a box if it's simply just picking one

Not really. The whole point of voting is that every eligible person has a right to vote. The x is historically precisely for that purpose. I bet most people vote without reading manifesto's or even studying the parties. @Dogeatsdog24 do you have a PA or someone else who can give you the basic facts about parties and tell you how to fill in a voter ID/postal vote form?

LakeTiticaca · 22/05/2024 21:48

There has been a thread already about the supposed inability of the poor, disabled and vulnerable to obtain ID to vote. It was extremely patronising, insinuating that this group of people are too stupid and thick to work it out. ID for voting was advertised on TV , social media and everywhere informing people they needed ID, and how to apply for it free of charge.
ID requirement introduction is to try and stop voter fraud which is rife in some constituencies, how do you think that microbe George Galloway got in in Rochdale?
It hasn't been introduced to stop poor, disabled or vulnerable folk from voting, as according to mumsnet, these people are not capable of thinking for themselves

RuthW · 22/05/2024 21:51

How can you not know that you can get id just for voting? It's been everywhere. I got mine as soon as I heard as i have no other photo id.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 22/05/2024 21:53

LakeTiticaca · 22/05/2024 21:48

There has been a thread already about the supposed inability of the poor, disabled and vulnerable to obtain ID to vote. It was extremely patronising, insinuating that this group of people are too stupid and thick to work it out. ID for voting was advertised on TV , social media and everywhere informing people they needed ID, and how to apply for it free of charge.
ID requirement introduction is to try and stop voter fraud which is rife in some constituencies, how do you think that microbe George Galloway got in in Rochdale?
It hasn't been introduced to stop poor, disabled or vulnerable folk from voting, as according to mumsnet, these people are not capable of thinking for themselves

The thing is most of the voter fraud is via postal voting, where you don't need ID. I have a postal vote because I am an election official. If you were going to commit voter fraud it would be far easier to do it via postal votes. I think we probably need a national ID card scheme, but that probably wont happen either.

Digimoor · 22/05/2024 22:22

BringItOnTooRight · 22/05/2024 17:52

Also the timing in July is designed to make it harder for students to vote. They will have registered in their university town in order to vote in the May elections, now they will have to hurry to change where they are registered to vote in time for July, at a time when they have exams, have to move out of accommodation and get summer jobs or maybe go travelling.
Big anti-democratic cynical move by the Tories here.

Students can be registered to vote in two places

Dogeatsdog24 · 22/05/2024 22:24

Needmorelego · 22/05/2024 21:40

@Dogeatsdog24 I didn't mean my question to be rude or insult you btw.
I was just curious.
How did you not have a polling card though.
If you're registered to vote they get sent out a few weeks before an election.
(Although I think you have to be registered by a certain date in time for the cards to be sent out)
Or do you mean you had never been registered before and you've literally only just registered for the first time?
The letter for being registered to vote goes to every household in the UK with the names of who in the household can vote listed on it. Most people will be added to the letter by their parents when they are 17 (you can be on the form at 17 but not vote until 18).
Did your parents never add you to the list?
Edit: sorry just re read that you said you've voted in the past. So how come you weren't registered to vote recently.
The letter to be on the electoral role is sent out yearly to every household.

Edited

All the questions are really confusing me . I last voted a really long time ago. I don't remember wvay I did. I don't know anything about when my parents voted. I think I was living in hostels etc when I was 18. Ut would not have even dnterred my head at 18 to sort out any type of voting .. I can't give you an answer that going to satisfy you. Because I don't know the full answer myself .

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Dogeatsdog24 · 22/05/2024 22:32

DramaLlamaBangBang · 22/05/2024 21:41

Not really. The whole point of voting is that every eligible person has a right to vote. The x is historically precisely for that purpose. I bet most people vote without reading manifesto's or even studying the parties. @Dogeatsdog24 do you have a PA or someone else who can give you the basic facts about parties and tell you how to fill in a voter ID/postal vote form?

I think I will be ok thank you .. I really only made the thread because I didn't know I could get photo ID that would allow me to vote . Until MN told me a little while ago . Then i thought surely I can't be the only 1 who did not know.or thought simlar to me. Which is why I made this thread. Feels like I'm the only one from what I have read though.

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Needmorelego · 22/05/2024 22:53

@Dogeatsdog24 so as you weren't living with your parents at 18 (and in a hostel) your circumstances about registering to vote will have been slightly different to most.
I was just curious - which is probably just a bit nosy really and I apologise.
I don't really need to know your personal history. It's none of my business.
Have a good evening 🙂

NoWordForFluffy · 22/05/2024 23:05

BringItOnTooRight · 22/05/2024 17:52

Also the timing in July is designed to make it harder for students to vote. They will have registered in their university town in order to vote in the May elections, now they will have to hurry to change where they are registered to vote in time for July, at a time when they have exams, have to move out of accommodation and get summer jobs or maybe go travelling.
Big anti-democratic cynical move by the Tories here.

Students can be registered at uni and at home, so that's not a problem in reality.

MrsPinkSky · 22/05/2024 23:11

Dogeatsdog24 · 22/05/2024 22:32

I think I will be ok thank you .. I really only made the thread because I didn't know I could get photo ID that would allow me to vote . Until MN told me a little while ago . Then i thought surely I can't be the only 1 who did not know.or thought simlar to me. Which is why I made this thread. Feels like I'm the only one from what I have read though.

You won't have been the only one who didn't know, but my guess is the majority of others would simply check the gov website, or they would've spotted the huge recent advertising campaign.

In the same way if you wondered whether Sainsbury's sold a certain item, you'd check.

NoWordForFluffy · 23/05/2024 05:43

4thJuly2024 · 22/05/2024 21:36

@Dogeatsdog24

Frankly if more people admitted they don't understand & didn't vote it would be better.

if you have the capacity then reading & understanding is good, but there's no point in putting a mark in a box if it's simply just picking one

People are allowed to vote for whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. Even if it's what the candidate is wearing! What you think about people's reasons isn't relevant.

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