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Qualifications needed to be a teacher?

39 replies

AbFabDaaaaahling · 21/05/2024 20:12

I understand none are needed now.
This is brilliant.

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Standingupstandingout · 21/05/2024 21:02

RoseBucket · 21/05/2024 21:00

Possibly however there is a much more then passion for the subject, learning the curriculum, being able to deliver, lesson planning, marking, pleasing parents, SLT, Ofsted targeted teaching, different teaching styles for different learning abilities, adapting to SEN to guide through exams. Classroom and behaviour management.

I’m not a teacher so I’m sure there is much more I have missed off.

But how does a degree in media studies, philosophy etc help with those things? It doesn't.

WearyAuldWumman · 21/05/2024 21:04

NorthernGirlie · 21/05/2024 20:13

We're so short staffed we'd practically take a pulse and thick skin at the minute

I returned to work (on supply) at the age of 63 after being away from my full-time position for 5 years.

When I expressed worry to the Head, she said "We only need a warm body in front of the kids."

RoseBucket · 21/05/2024 21:08

Standingupstandingout · 21/05/2024 21:02

But how does a degree in media studies, philosophy etc help with those things? It doesn't.

?

RoseBucket · 21/05/2024 21:11

I’m talking about the point raised of someone acting in reenactments, versus teaching qualifications. Teaching qualifications are in addition to a degree which is what the Op has worked (and paid for)

notthe1Parrot · 21/05/2024 21:15

When I started teaching in Scotland 60 years ago, the Head said to me "We know that in England all you need to be a teacher is to be over 18 and to have been successfully vaccinated".....

Sconeswithnutella · 21/05/2024 21:21

Unqualified teachers have been around for a while but the pay is even more dire than normal teaching pay. It’s the same with having TA’s teach; you can’t possibly compare the quality of teaching with someone who has trained for hours upon hours in everything from child psychology to adaptive teaching. Our education system needs a serious shake up; it’s lacking in most areas and it’s only getting worse.

TitusMoan · 21/05/2024 21:21

AbFabDaaaaahling · 21/05/2024 20:59

@TitusMoan Four years uni, one pgce, one nqt

Oh I see!

I agree btw. I’ve left teaching now, nearly broke me. Still got the loan.

PropertyManager · 21/05/2024 23:08

OneLemonOrca · 21/05/2024 20:31

I don’t understand how you can be a teacher without qualifications. At that point the children may as well be teaching themselves?

Edited

We are not talking subject qualifications, I have been a teacher 22 years, first in private, then for a while in an academy, last 8 years private, Head of Physics. Have Phd in Physics, but no PGCE etc.

70% or better of our staff are like me, no teaching quals, those with have normally ported over from the state.

Singleandproud · 21/05/2024 23:11

@OneLemonOrca sometimes unqualified teachers are qualified in their home country but their teaching qualification is not recognized here / they need to get QTS within 4 years.

PropertyManager · 21/05/2024 23:13

Sconeswithnutella · 21/05/2024 21:21

Unqualified teachers have been around for a while but the pay is even more dire than normal teaching pay. It’s the same with having TA’s teach; you can’t possibly compare the quality of teaching with someone who has trained for hours upon hours in everything from child psychology to adaptive teaching. Our education system needs a serious shake up; it’s lacking in most areas and it’s only getting worse.

Well, I've done 22 years, all "unqualified", including 6 in an academy, as unqualified you technically fall outside of the pay scale system low starting rate, but you are free to negotiate your wage, and the school can engage, they have to make up some un-intelligable formal job title so it falls off the scales, my daily title was Teacher of Physics, my official file title was Professional Facilitator and Consultant😁 - I always negotiated at least as much (and lattery more) than my PGCE colleagues, not that I'd advertise that in house!😁

PropertyManager · 21/05/2024 23:24

Amusingly, in state schools (including academies etc.) an unqualified teacher cannot be judged against the teacher standards, as of course they have no formal qualifications in them. This means that in theory we cannot be observed (well, we can, but we can't be assessed on anything other than subject knowledge and delivery and feedback cannot be given) which is quite handy, in 22 years I've been observed twice, never for more than 10 mins, never had any feedback / meeting afterwards - not that we do that in the trad private sector anyway.

AllLopsided · 21/05/2024 23:26

The writer of the ad is clearly unqualified in English.

Sconeswithnutella · 21/05/2024 23:54

PropertyManager · 21/05/2024 23:13

Well, I've done 22 years, all "unqualified", including 6 in an academy, as unqualified you technically fall outside of the pay scale system low starting rate, but you are free to negotiate your wage, and the school can engage, they have to make up some un-intelligable formal job title so it falls off the scales, my daily title was Teacher of Physics, my official file title was Professional Facilitator and Consultant😁 - I always negotiated at least as much (and lattery more) than my PGCE colleagues, not that I'd advertise that in house!😁

Edited

I stand corrected, I had no idea it was negotiable or that you could earn the same as a qualified teacher! All of the unqualified teachers I know are paid about half way between teacher and TA pay. I was also very much generalising. I’ve seen a few TA’s teach better lessons than teachers and I’m sure the same could be said for unqualified teachers. Experience is also a massive factor. An ECT is more than likely to be much less knowledgeable than an unqualified teacher of 20 years.

PropertyManager · 21/05/2024 23:59

Sconeswithnutella · 21/05/2024 23:54

I stand corrected, I had no idea it was negotiable or that you could earn the same as a qualified teacher! All of the unqualified teachers I know are paid about half way between teacher and TA pay. I was also very much generalising. I’ve seen a few TA’s teach better lessons than teachers and I’m sure the same could be said for unqualified teachers. Experience is also a massive factor. An ECT is more than likely to be much less knowledgeable than an unqualified teacher of 20 years.

I think experience and the individual are very muck key - I've taught my whole career in good, non challenging (behaviour wise) highly academic schools, and excelled.

I would sink in a day in an inner city comp, and a teacher from that environment would likely struggle with the methods of my world - and yes, there are fantastic TAs, who deserve MUCH more wonga and respect.

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