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How can you be sure someone has read a document? Task Master esque challenge

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Mum5net · 14/05/2024 11:50

OMG this is like a real life Task Master.
Elderly neighbour wants to send a rebuke to someone. They have an old iphone and an ipad. The rebuke runs to about six paragraphs, so should be contained in one page. They want to be assured the person gets the rebuke and doesn't dodge opening it. They can't do read receipts; the don't have Microsoft office.
They do have Whats App and have access to a printer.

I don't have the band width to get into a long conversation with said neighbour. Life is too short.
I'm thinking they should print off 1 page from iPad. Take photo and send photo by Whats App. They should NOT send the six paragraphs as a document on Whats App. Help welcome.

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WingSluts · 14/05/2024 12:37

If you don't have the bandwidth to deal with all this then just keep right out of it unless there is some sort of direct benefit to you, and even then think carefully before getting involved in other people's issues with one another, even obliquely.

Riverlee · 14/05/2024 12:41

Go old school.

print it off, and send it by registered post, with a signature to receive it.

Although all that proves is that they’ve received it, not that they have actually read it.

Guess that’s the same with any email etc. All you can prove us that they’ve received it, maybe opened the document, but not that they’ve read it.

Ginmonkeyagain · 14/05/2024 12:44

Hire an out of work actor to stand outside said persons house/workplace reading the rebuke in loud stentorian tones?

Mum5net · 14/05/2024 13:02

@WingSluts I haven't enquired who the relative is and what they have done...@Riverlee I guess old school has an appeal but I can feel a request for me to take it to a post office as there isn't one walkable... but they are au fait with that... and it might get it done and away...@Ginmonkeyagain yes, that's an idea but I might hear the rehearsal and the editorial direction ...

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ItsAllJustALittleBitOfHistoryRepeating · 14/05/2024 13:20

Honestly I'd stay out of it.

Your neighbour can't force anyone to read a rebuking from them and I'd tell them to be very careful about they approach it, someone on my local Facebook page is kicking off about police beong a scam because they attended her home after she's sent a letter to her estranged daughter of 8 years, her daughter called the police because in an effort to make sure her daughter was forced to read the rebuking letter, she sent a copy to her house, to her employer, to her friend, and to her husbands parents because the OP felt like her wish to give her estranged daughter "a few home truths" trumps her daughters wish for peace and to be left alone.

Obv we don't know the context or situation but if your friend is trying to force unwanted contact on someone who wants to be left alone I'd stay the fuck out of it. Even if it's well justified anger, if someone doesn't want to hear it, it's very easy to just not open a message, or bin a letter, or block people, you're friend would only be hurting themselves, especially if they will also be checking for replies or a reaction from the person they're rebuking.

123ZYX · 14/05/2024 13:29

Mum5net · 14/05/2024 13:02

@WingSluts I haven't enquired who the relative is and what they have done...@Riverlee I guess old school has an appeal but I can feel a request for me to take it to a post office as there isn't one walkable... but they are au fait with that... and it might get it done and away...@Ginmonkeyagain yes, that's an idea but I might hear the rehearsal and the editorial direction ...

You can buy postage online and pay extra for collection from home, so no need for a post office trip

Mum5net · 14/05/2024 13:33

@123ZYX you get Greg's 5 points. Will go with this and bow straight out!

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SerendipityJane · 14/05/2024 13:35

Read receipts aren't guaranteed across platforms (I've only spent 25 years telling people this, maybe I should get a man to say it ?)

The mediums should be irrelevant. Really the only way you can be sure a message has actually been read (and understood) is to sneak something into it which the recipient would trip as proof they had seen it.

How about "There is a £10 note under your doormat as a sentence just before the end ?

(For fans of trivia, this is the logic behind some artists apparently "odd" rider requests. I think it was Van Halen who had the thing about "no brown M&Ms" in the backstage. But to get to that bit you had to read some really important safety rules. So if they checked the backstage M&Ms and found brown ones, they knew there was a problem.)

123ZYX · 14/05/2024 13:40

Mum5net · 14/05/2024 13:33

@123ZYX you get Greg's 5 points. Will go with this and bow straight out!

Fabulous! You may need to treat it as a small parcel, but still cheaper than petrol (and saves time)

Newcrocs · 14/05/2024 13:41

Why on EARTH would you get involved in something like this? You are effectively asking how to help your neighbour send hate mail to someone? Just say you want no part in it!

turkeymuffin · 14/05/2024 13:44

Save it as a pdf and send via WhatsApp

turkeymuffin · 14/05/2024 13:45

Or just copy & paste into WhatsApp message

turkeymuffin · 14/05/2024 13:45

Newcrocs · 14/05/2024 13:41

Why on EARTH would you get involved in something like this? You are effectively asking how to help your neighbour send hate mail to someone? Just say you want no part in it!

Also this - depending on context!

SerendipityJane · 14/05/2024 13:48

Incidentally (and I am sure all the posters on here are aware) just "opening" a document is not proof of "reading" a document. (Looks at "Ulysses" on the bookshelf)

Mum5net · 14/05/2024 13:54

I'm pretty sure its got to do with someone borrowing something ( eg like his lawn mower and not giving it back) and elderly neighbour wants to be sure they know he is disappointed. I don't think it is too sinister.

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similarminimer · 14/05/2024 18:20

SerendipityJane · 14/05/2024 13:48

Incidentally (and I am sure all the posters on here are aware) just "opening" a document is not proof of "reading" a document. (Looks at "Ulysses" on the bookshelf)

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