Woman murdered in Suffolk while police stood outside

[DontBiteTheCat]

Apologies if there is another thread on this, I couldn’t see it.

I can’t quite believe what I’m reading here. She must have been terrified.

I understand there would be “rules” to follow but surely to God, if you heard in excess of 50 bangs coming from a house where there had been a domestic incident the day before you would go in and to hell with the consequences?

I despair 😞

The police are investigating the matter and the officers are facing possible charges of misconduct.

There is insufficient detail in the link to be able to say anymore than that.

In particular where do you get this "in excess of 50 bangs" from?

There is another article online that states the police offers outside heard more than 50 bangs.

I’ll try and find it.

And yes they have referred themselves, one I believe is facing gross misconduct, but a woman has still died. Obviously the blame lies only with the man that killed her, but we expect the police to be a safety net, to help those in danger do we not?

It's not clear why the officers are facing misconduct charges and if - and how - these relate to her dreadful murder. The article reports that officers were trying to force entry into the house while it was taking place, which isn't exactly 'woman murdered while police stood outside'

@GentlemanJohnny It’a in a separate BBC article linked below.

I was incorrect it didn’t state in excess of 50 bangs, it states between 40 and 50 were heard by an officer knocking on the door.

I just read the article and think you may be filling in the blanks with what you think may have happened. Probably best to wait and see if there is any case to answer regarding the police officers before drawing conclusions or criticism.

I have linked one article.

There are others reporting that they were outside for between 30-40 minutes waiting for approval to gain entry.

I have only linked one article, there are others online.

If two officers are facing misconduct charges, one gross misconduct, it is probably fair to say something has gone wrong somewhere.

I am angry that another woman has lost her life at the hands of a man, but it makes the situation feel more hopeless if police were on scene but not given clearance to enter the property in time to help her.

It is clear. They are being investigated because there was a history of incidents.

The story says
"After the murder, Suffolk Police referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) due to previous contact with the couple.

It said the earlier this month, two officers were advised they were being investigated for gross misconduct over potential breaches of the standards of professional behaviour.

Another officer is under investigation for breaches amounting to misconduct."

The incident the previous day wasn't the first. Again from the BBC story
"The prosecution said police had been called to the couple's home on Exning Road a number of times before over domestic incidents, including the day before the fatal attack."

Have to see what comes out of the investigation. If the bangs sounded like hammering, the officers may have thought someone doing DIY wasn’t hearing them knocking.

When the police were at the house specifically to discuss an incident the previous day when the man had been arrested and told to stay away from the house?

Bit of a stretch.

The procedure of having to call for clearance to enter once you suspect foul play is ridiculous though. The police had to wait twenty minutes to force entry from when they thought they should.

Not really. They didn’t know he was at the property when they first arrived.
Within a few minutes, they determined they needed to force entry but the suffolk procedure required them to get clearance from higher up…that meant waiting twenty minutes longer.

It’s good it is being investigated as the police should have been empowered to force entry without needing clearance from higher up in this kind of circumstance.

The police are useless, cowardly bastards. They don’t exist to protect ordinary people.

I recently had to call them after fleeing a machete attack. The attacker was chasing someone else when I called. The call handler spent twenty five minutes taking my info and a description BEFORE arranging dispatch. I’ve never even been given an update on the outcome!

Of course, you go to a protest or a football match and the police are only to ready and willing to ‘help’ 🫤

That needs to change. There should be circumstances where you do not have to wait for clearance. I'm amazed there aren't tbh.

I think there was similar at that school shooting in the US? Where police waited outside for ages listening to gun men hunt down and shoot children but unable to go in with their guns to defend until the sheriff had cleared it. It was a huge scandal.

I agree.

The emotional part of me thinks why the hell did they not just go in anyway? They were at a property where there was a history of domestic abuse incidents, one only the day before. There was a vulnerable woman inside. She wasn’t answering the door. Bangs were heard.

The rational part of me understands that they can’t just do that. We don’t even know if they had any equipment with them such as tasers and I understand that they need to think of their own safety, but waiting for clearance for 30 minutes? It should have been immediate, and if safety was a concern then back up should have been sent immediately too.

Agreed!!!

People are very quick to blame cops. Wait and see the outcome of the investigation

We had another hit and run incident the other day as we waited at the red lights to change - civilian cops were quiet dismissive. However, I am aware they have much more serious crime to deal with

I really didn't know the police had to wait for clearance so I've learned something today

I understand your anger at the loss of life. My reservations were that press reporting is just a snapshot of what happened.
The actions of the officers are being reviewed due to previous contact with the victim. Maybe they did everything correctly (given what they saw and heard) maybe they didn’t. If they didn’t they will face disciplinary action.

The article states ‘two officers were advised they were being investigated for gross misconduct over potential breaches of the standards of professional behaviour.’
The word ‘potential’ is why I reserve judgement. If the article stated that ‘two officers had been charged with gross misconduct over breaches of the standards of behaviour’ then there is clearly a case to answer, but no conclusion has been drawn yet by the investigators and therefore I think it’s unfair to drawn conclusions based on supposition.

I understand, and your post makes a lot of sense.

Yes the police shouldn’t have had to wait for clearance, Batman whatever … but focus on the real issue a man killed his wife he is the aggressor and more needs to be done to stop domestic violence and help women before it starts… he is the rvil bastatd and she must have lived in terror for a very long time poor love.

❤️ I hope from this

1. he goes to jail and is served justice jail style
2. More is done with the police to allow them to jump in asap

civilian cops were quiet dismissive.

Civilian cops? Does this mean PCSOs, or have we got another layer of policing?

However, I am aware they have much more serious crime to deal with

What? Is this meant to be funny?

Just my opinion, I’m sure you’ll get other POV too.
It’s just incredibly sad, that’s something we can all agree on.

That poor woman.