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If you are against immigration, what do you think about net contributing immigrants?

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IceLollyMolly · 02/05/2024 13:28

I don't have the nerve to post in AIBU! I am a recent immigrant- I don't even have my ILR yet- and came in on a skilled worker visa in 2020, as did my DH. Both of us are high earners and pay a lot of tax. Both of us fill positions that were first advertised to British people, but could not be filled.

Lately, of course, there has been a lot of press about high immigration and how it should be curbed. There seems to be a simmering resentment against all immigrants, spearheaded ironically by Tory immigrants.

So far, I have not taken anything from the state and am unlikely to. I have private health care, and am pretty healthy anyway, so rarely use it. I have not given birth here or used state schools. If I ever had to go on benefits, I would likely return to my home country where I had a good standard of life, just not the international workplace I have here.

I am aware that the country needs both high earners and low earners- I am not saying I am more important than a care worker- but I sometimes get tired of the narrative that all immigrants are low paid unskilled workers taking jobs from British people, and a drain on the system. I am by no means the only one in this position. I work for a company that recruits globally. But many are now going to the US or Canada as they think they will be more welcome there.

I think that by paying high taxes, my colleagues and I are giving back more than we take. We are of course not eligible for benefits until we get our ILRs. Am I wrong? I also think the British economy should encourage high earning immigrants and global talent by making immigration easier and cheaper. My ILR next year will cost £2885 per person and may take 6 months! I think that is rather unfair. Prepared to be told I am being unreasonable even though this is not in AIBU.😊

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suburburban · 30/11/2024 08:20

For me it's the numbers. It's far too many and there is problems with enough housing and environmental concerns

Agree about the illegal aspect

Overtheatlantic · 30/11/2024 08:27

Hereyoume · 02/05/2024 14:25

The issue of immigration isn't just about jobs. It's about cultural identity.

Look at Ireland, the levels of immigration that have taken place over the past 20 years has changed the culture on the island. The children of people who immigrated there will change it further. On such a small island, those changes will be profound. The history and cultural practices will become diluted, but the disruptor will also not be present in sufficient numbers to replace what was "lost" with something more tangible. The result will be a sort of gradual erosion of what makes Ireland "Irish".

You can see it here too,there are huge areas within some cities that a lot of people would consider to be "no longer British", whatever that might mean.

When councils have to put up signs and have paperwork available in multiple languages, people begin to question where it will all end.

No single indivdual can ever be a "net" contributer, how do you quantify the cost of travelling down the M4?

Did YOU pay for it all by yourself?

It isn't just about using "services", it's more nuanced than that.

Think of it like this. If you lived on a street with 100 houses, 85 of your neighbours were local "British" people, born and raised for generations in the immediate area. Then suddenly (I'm making this up for dramatic purposes) 80 houses were sold to purple spotted Martians. Who moved in, parked their space ships on the front lawn, played Martian music, spoke Martian, lobbied for Martian rights, wanted tentacle ramps put up on all public buildings and business premises, demanded Martian speaking Teachers at the local primary, and called you a Martianist for raising any objections.

You might begin to feel like you longer recognise your own neighbourhood, and maybe not feel welcome there anymore.

It's a hugely complex issue, and money and jobs are not really the focus.

We are going to have some very challenging years ahead trying to navigate all of this.

It's a global problem, and it will require a global shift to find a way through.

Are borders still appropriate?

Should people just allowed to move anywhere they chose?

Now that we can "work" from anywhere, should we be allowed to "work" in other countries, could someone living in London "work" remotely for an American company?

Ideas on a postcard please.

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Fucking appalling example. Seriously sort yourself out.

Foggyfield · 30/11/2024 08:28

Wishihadanalgorithm · 30/11/2024 08:17

I am happy for any immigrant to come to Britain and work. Doesn’t matter if they are highly skilled and highly paid or doing a low paid job - they are all contributing.

I think undocumented chancers are the problem.

Actually I do mind the low paid ones, especially with our system already under the pressure it is.

If they are low paid, or have dependants, then they are a net drain on the system that we can ill afford. Some of the figures re: how many are on benefits and in social housing, when people whose families have paid into the system for generations can't access them, are shocking.

suburburban · 30/11/2024 08:36

Yes this as well

pistachioicecream · 30/11/2024 08:40

JRSKSSBH · 29/11/2024 17:25

I feel that stating stuff like this is so obvious it should be unnecessary, and then I am astounded by the fact so few people have thought through the consequences of untrammelled immigration. We are importing huge problems for the future and sleepwalking into massive social issues - you cannot have a country where large segments of the population have competing values and beliefs, and are not coalescing around shared values.

To me the future of the UK looks very bleak. British liberals have for decades deliberately depoliticised the political choice of mass immigration. Sectarian politics, the emergence of a British ethnic identity, calls for the imposition officially of Sharia law, serious interethnic violence/ conflict, religious unrest are all entirely foreseeable and will take this country over the brink.

@JRSKSSBH I totally agree with you and am also regularly astounded by people’s inability to see long-term, unintended consequences of things.

A Labour MP stood up in parliament this week and essentially called for the introduction of a blasphemy law. The fact the Keir Starmer didn’t immediately shut that down was equally horrifying.

Personally I think that exchange should fill everyone with horror. But it is a completely predictable consequence of the country’s shifting demographic, and ever increasing numbers of people with competing cultural values. Bleak indeed.

Simonjt · 30/11/2024 08:47

Overtheatlantic · 30/11/2024 08:27

Fucking appalling example. Seriously sort yourself out.

Sadly non-white people are often told we’re not actually human, so the example isn’t a surprise sadly.

RingoJuice · 30/11/2024 08:52

Simonjt · 30/11/2024 08:47

Sadly non-white people are often told we’re not actually human, so the example isn’t a surprise sadly.

Why is it a problem for Irish people to want Ireland to be actually Irish?

Please be specific with your issues here. It seems a reasonable request to me.

A lot of people like to say Britain was built by immigrants (a malignant lie imho) but you cannot say the same about Ireland, they don’t owe anything to anyone other group of people.

Fargo79 · 30/11/2024 08:54

I worry a lot about a growing number of future voters who do not share British values and what this will mean for my daughters. I don't believe it is racist to ask questions about what it means for women in the UK, to have immigrants settle here from countries with cultures that are inherently misogynistic and dangerous for women and girls, and allowing them to vote and elect representatives to shape our country.

I think there are probably ways to mitigate the effects of the economic impact of immigration, and some of that impact is positive, but I don't see a real solution to the issue of integrating cultures in a way that is safe for British people - particularly women and girls - and does not diminish British culture.

Xenia · 30/11/2024 08:55

For me it is nothing to do with money - that is what Governments do not understand. We have 18m more people in the UK than when I was born (obviously a lot of that is of course just population rising of course from those already here too and I have children so am partly responsible for that). Too many people.

I would rather we were much worse off and had very few NHS and care home staff than have so many here.

SlugsWon · 30/11/2024 09:42

Hereyoume · 02/05/2024 14:25

The issue of immigration isn't just about jobs. It's about cultural identity.

Look at Ireland, the levels of immigration that have taken place over the past 20 years has changed the culture on the island. The children of people who immigrated there will change it further. On such a small island, those changes will be profound. The history and cultural practices will become diluted, but the disruptor will also not be present in sufficient numbers to replace what was "lost" with something more tangible. The result will be a sort of gradual erosion of what makes Ireland "Irish".

You can see it here too,there are huge areas within some cities that a lot of people would consider to be "no longer British", whatever that might mean.

When councils have to put up signs and have paperwork available in multiple languages, people begin to question where it will all end.

No single indivdual can ever be a "net" contributer, how do you quantify the cost of travelling down the M4?

Did YOU pay for it all by yourself?

It isn't just about using "services", it's more nuanced than that.

Think of it like this. If you lived on a street with 100 houses, 85 of your neighbours were local "British" people, born and raised for generations in the immediate area. Then suddenly (I'm making this up for dramatic purposes) 80 houses were sold to purple spotted Martians. Who moved in, parked their space ships on the front lawn, played Martian music, spoke Martian, lobbied for Martian rights, wanted tentacle ramps put up on all public buildings and business premises, demanded Martian speaking Teachers at the local primary, and called you a Martianist for raising any objections.

You might begin to feel like you longer recognise your own neighbourhood, and maybe not feel welcome there anymore.

It's a hugely complex issue, and money and jobs are not really the focus.

We are going to have some very challenging years ahead trying to navigate all of this.

It's a global problem, and it will require a global shift to find a way through.

Are borders still appropriate?

Should people just allowed to move anywhere they chose?

Now that we can "work" from anywhere, should we be allowed to "work" in other countries, could someone living in London "work" remotely for an American company?

Ideas on a postcard please.

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That is so offensive and ignorant. Signed, a martian

RingoJuice · 30/11/2024 12:27

SlugsWon · 30/11/2024 09:42

That is so offensive and ignorant. Signed, a martian

People keep saying that they are offended but they never say why …

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