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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 22:30

If you haven't seen it yet, let me save you the trouble and precis it for you.

One very, very cross and shouty Englishman with a strange, pretend posh accent.

Lovely kimono porn.

Lots of raked gravel in swirly patterns.

Lots of beautiful Japanese ladies who walk in teeny tiny steps and who volunteer to kill themselves or begged to be killed, at least once in each episode because they vaguely disappointed someone, or disappointed themselves, and they can't bear the shame.

Lots of very, very cross and shouty Japanese men, at least one of whom does kill himself in every episode, because he vaguely disappointed someone, or disappointed himself, or lost an argument and can't bear the shame.

Houses that consist of seven or eight rooms, none of which have a single stick of furniture in them. Everone sits cross legged on a tiny little wooden mat the size of a dinner plate, while they argue about whose turn it is to kill themselves.

Honestly, I don't understand how Japanese civilisation didn't wipe itself out centuries ago. The rate at which they all volunteer to die for the slightest little reason, I'm surprised they could ever cobble together enough alive people to keep the country going.

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Devilsmommy · 26/04/2024 22:38

😯 more than a bit racist there

NeverHadHaveHas · 26/04/2024 22:38

Um, that post is horrifically racist. I would ask for it to be pulled as you’re going to get your arse handed to you.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 26/04/2024 22:41

NeverHadHaveHas · 26/04/2024 22:38

Um, that post is horrifically racist. I would ask for it to be pulled as you’re going to get your arse handed to you.

This ^^

What on earth are you playing at here OP??

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 22:47

Oh give over. It was hundreds of years ago. It's no more racist than making jokes about the Romans in the film Gladiator. Lighten up. It's a television drama beautifully shot but full of overblown nonsense.

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NeverHadHaveHas · 26/04/2024 22:53

You’ve poked fun and spoken in a derisory way about an entire culture. It’s racist.
And who jokes about Romans in gladiator? What a ridiculous straw to clutch at.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 23:04

NeverHadHaveHas · 26/04/2024 22:53

You’ve poked fun and spoken in a derisory way about an entire culture. It’s racist.
And who jokes about Romans in gladiator? What a ridiculous straw to clutch at.

I've poked fun at a TV programme's portrayal of aspects of a culture from hundreds of years ago. That's hardly the same. Is there literally nothing we can poke fun at now, apart straight, white, Tory men or people who voted for Brexit?

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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 23:05

Actually, don't bother answering that. I already know the answer.

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Bdaybdilemma · 26/04/2024 23:10

It was a great series! Did you watch all of it?!

NeverHadHaveHas · 26/04/2024 23:16

But those things you say you are poking fun at were actually part of the culture at the time so you are poking fun at the culture. Can you not see that? And whether it’s certain aspects of the culture or all of the culture is irrelevant. Your comments on those aspects are racist.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 23:18

Watching the last episode right now. It has been great, if a bit OTT. I am literally watching someone else volunteering to die as we speak. It's an enduring theme, as you will know.

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Ratfan24 · 26/04/2024 23:29

Well this just shows everyone has a different take on things but I thought it was one of the best dramas I have seen in ages. Amazing scenery and costumes, beautifully shot and some wonderful acting.

Yes the ancient Japanese had a different view on suicide which is hard for us to get on board with. They thought it brave and noble in the same way we might think it noble to see a soldier ride off to almost certain death in the service of his country.

I must admit I was not quite so happy with the ending as I felt it lacked something, but overall still excellent for me.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 26/04/2024 23:37

Well this just shows everyone has a different take on things but I thought it was one of the best dramas I have seen in ages. Amazing scenery and costumes, beautifully shot and some wonderful acting.

Don't get me wrong, I've loved it and I agree with all of that. The kimonos alone are worth watching it for. I'm just getting a bit fed up with the relentless suicides. I'm sure it can't have happend quite as much as the programme makes it appear, though. I mean seriously...

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Tigersonvaseline · 27/04/2024 07:18

It's absolutely fantastic and there are threads in telly addicts for anyone interested.

Surely op can comment on a civilisations in 1600?

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 27/04/2024 09:45

Tigersonvaseline · 27/04/2024 07:18

It's absolutely fantastic and there are threads in telly addicts for anyone interested.

Surely op can comment on a civilisations in 1600?

Goodness me, no. Not these days. We have very, very narrow windows in which we can joke about anything at all. Even joking about something that was a cultural practice in the 1600s is 'horrifically racist' apparently. When people are prepared to use superlatives like that in situations like this, one does have to wonder what armoury would remain in their lexicon when required to describe actual horrific racism.

Would the same posters have admonished me for denigrating 'an entire culture' and called me 'horrifically racist' if I'd made some tongue in cheek observations about the Vikings based on a telly programme?

I doubt it. They were white and so are their Scandanavian ancestors, so obviously that can't possibly count, can it?

I doubt it.

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wido · 27/04/2024 10:04

We are loving it for all those reasons and more. It's so beautiful. I do get fed up with the requests to kill themselves too 😄. I'm reading your post tongue in cheek. Don't understand the racist accusations

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