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Inside an over 50s DWP session

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Orbunal · 26/04/2024 00:28

It's just as dispiriting as it sounds. We watch a PowerPoint that tells us that we all have really valuable skills that employers are really keen to make use of. Except if that were true there would be nobody in the room, because we wouldn't be signing on at the DWP.

As the presentation goes on it becomes clear that we are Schrödinger's job seekers - simultaneously steering the UK back from the brink of underemployment ("YOU are the fastest growing sector of people seeking work") while also lazy as fuck ("35 years national insurance is the minimum, it doesn't mean you can just sit around ").

The question of Carer's Allowance comes up, and there's a long segue about how nobody really understands the figures for that.

We're told that employers have to be flexible now, to accommodate our needs, but the person giving the talk also states that she herself has to work 9-5 inflexibly. She does a little laugh at this point. She's having trouble getting the mouse to click - she's previously told us that her fingers don't work so well due to inflammation and nerve damage. It's not looking hopeful in terms of employer flexibility.

A woman injects herself with insulin.

The guy behind me is breathing quite raggedly. He asks if there is such a thing as a male menopause. He is told nice try, but there is not, there's no get out clause here.

We get told about computer skills programmes. A 63 yo woman who has osteoarthritis says she has already been on one, that it lasted 13 weeks and they had a different tutor every two weeks so all she learnt was how to switch on and type "www". Our facilitator says that yes, it's all tailored.

The entire thing lasts for two hours.

At one point the mask slips. Our stakeholding trainer tells us that the government wants us all working until we are 67 so we just have to get on with it. We knew that anyway so there's no relief.

I walk away at the end desperately trying to shake the taste and feel of it off me. I have been struggling with suicidal thoughts for a long time. I don't want them to overwhelm me. I'm doing other things, any things I can, to stop them. This session, this absolute abomination, is the lowest I've felt in a while. The hopelessness and futility and degradation is seeping into my bones and mind. None of this makes sense and none of it will ever be any good.

OP posts:
YeahComeOnThen · 26/04/2024 00:34

@Orbunal

Well, that sounds abysmal & utterly depressing.

Don't let the bastards grind you down!!

Orbunal · 26/04/2024 00:39

I'm trying not to! But it's really hard.

They call it the "50+ MOT".

FFS.

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Naptimeagain · 26/04/2024 00:42

If you are having suicidal thoughts, please call the Samaritans now, and see your GP ASAP.

Working is absolutely not the be and end all of life, you have so much more value than as a worker/tax payer.

Take care.

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Boopydoo · 26/04/2024 00:46

Crumbs, is this what I have to look forward to? I am over fifty but signed off to study and not having to 'actively' seek employment. Not sure for how much longer though, I will soon have had my six weeks of counselling (that's not touched the sides and I haven't even brought the biggest, horriblest issue I need to face to the surface yet!) and no doubt be assessed by someone, not a Doctor, but who will deem me fit for work.
Have you tried the interview processes nowadays, Christ on a bike it's like jumping through 20 billion flaming hoops walking the walk and talking the talk like a car saleswoman on drugs. Bloody soul destroying.

humidityisrising · 26/04/2024 00:48

@Orbunal
Just wanted to say that you're not alone. I'm in a similar position but not had to sit through this yet.

Your post is beautifully written.

Do say more about the other things you are doing, if it would help to share them.

Please reach out for help if you're feeling especially low tonight. X

Orbunal · 26/04/2024 00:54

@Boopydoo I'm also having counselling that hasn't touched the sides. Like you I'm aware that it will end soon so it feels there's no point in bringing up the Massive Thing now. I'm sorry you're experiencing similar. I feel so lost. I hope that you are not quite so lost.

@humidityisrising I'm sorry you're here too. It's shit isn't it.

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Tumbler2121 · 26/04/2024 01:05

So sorry to hear you had this horrible experience. Some courses seem to be designed to simultaneously bore, frustrate and annoy, with a mix of talking down and stating the obvious!

Boopydoo · 26/04/2024 01:07

Orbunal · 26/04/2024 00:54

@Boopydoo I'm also having counselling that hasn't touched the sides. Like you I'm aware that it will end soon so it feels there's no point in bringing up the Massive Thing now. I'm sorry you're experiencing similar. I feel so lost. I hope that you are not quite so lost.

@humidityisrising I'm sorry you're here too. It's shit isn't it.

Six sessions isn't enough for too many years of trauma. I wonder who makes those decisions, six sessions and that will fix them. Takes at least three sessions to just feel like you know the counsellor. Who can afford to then pay for private sessions?

I suspect I am numb, and just navigating around a busy life of seeing to others that need me, just staying busy and keep on ignoring it all.

Qwell https://www.qwell.io/ is a good place to go if you need urgent support.

https://www.qwell.io

Turkeyhen · 26/04/2024 01:17

OP you are a brilliant writer. I'm so sorry you were subjected to that. What a shitshow.

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Boopydoo · 26/04/2024 01:23

Tumbler2121 · 26/04/2024 01:05

So sorry to hear you had this horrible experience. Some courses seem to be designed to simultaneously bore, frustrate and annoy, with a mix of talking down and stating the obvious!

I only attended one, it was to get insight into the recruitment process the DWP uses to become a Work Coach. After waiting an hour because their equipment wouldn't work, our two-hour course was condensed into one hour with just a chat, no presentation slides to look at and nothing in much depth at all lol.
One bit was helpful, to be told that your personal statement about yourself gets a first check over by AI. Fine, I passed that test twice over, next up is situational judgement tests, fine, managed to pass them twice too but the one thing they didn't do was give realistic examples of what the recorded interview questions would be like. So I ran with an example of what they thought, wrote copious notes in preparation and the questions were nothing like that ! In between applying twice I saw my work coach, and they said to me well at least now you know the interview questions, to which I said well surely they aren't going to ask the same ones again, it can't be that simple!

They had no clue, admitted they wouldn't be able to get a job that way, it was all too complicated but they didn't really understand the process at all. Maybe next time they run a course like that they really ought to get someone who has actually been through the process to talk us through it! Second time around for me was another disaster, I just go into panic, faced with a screen and a timer for two minutes counting down, the question to the left, but I get so caught up in the countdown clock I can't make sense of the question as I can't stop staring at the clock!

Boopydoo · 26/04/2024 01:40

@Orbunal was your course one you had to attend? I spent the hour waiting for them to sort out the equipment in disbelief at how unorganised a government office could be and how I could actually be at home sitting at my laptop getting some other worthwhile study done.

I've not worked for years, because I was a full-time carer for my disabled son on pitiful carer's allowance. I never worked because the rules over the hours you can and the money you are allowed to earn are so confusing whilst on carer's allowance, yet I have saved the government an absolute fortune in comparison to what his assisted living placement is now costing the nation. It's a mind-blowing amount for his accommodation, with a huge carer bill on top.

Seeing the news recently, I am so glad I didn't work in those 20 years, seeing as thousands of carer's are now being told they got too much money and have to pay it back.

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