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Imagine a world without religion?

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Kendodd · 25/04/2024 22:13

Not that it never existed, just that people didn't believe in it now. No forced bans on religion, people just stopped believing on their own. So we could still look back at the culture artifacts and traditions. We could still keep and celebrate the festivals and traditions, only the good ones though.
I don't think this would suddenly lead to world peace btw. Its just one less thing to hate each other for though.

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Kendodd · 27/04/2024 10:34

AstralSpace · 27/04/2024 10:19

@Kendodd but those are all things rooted in religion. So, the state will then sanction and validate these rituals.
It'll make no difference as ya all about controlling the people anyway. Control through religion or state.
Wars will still carry on if the state wants it. People will still be controlled. They'll still align with their tribe.

They're not all rooted in religion, graduation ceremonies for example. And even if they are rooted in religion, so what. Most religious rituals/celebrations are rooted in the belief systems that went before them.

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fernsandlilies · 27/04/2024 10:34

Usou · 26/04/2024 19:05

Hmm..it's very easy to speculate on how such a world might look from present day Europe.

Remember that Christianity was a great civilising influence when it arrived in the British Isles. Previously, the Celts, Saxons and particularly the Vikings were a barbarous bunch who would kill and rape pretty much for fun.

Christianity provided a simple set of rules that even the illiterate could follow - love thy neighbour, do not covet thy neighbour's wife etc. all of which seems bizarre now, but was a big deal at the time. I do wonder how long it would be before people regressed to default mode in the absence of religion. I'm not encouraged by the behaviour of some.

This is totally false.

Anglo-Saxon, early British, Celtic and Saxon communities were orderly, organised, and very civilised. The Vikings were an expansionist society, true. All these societies used force to attack and defend, just as nations have done throughout history.

Are you really so ignorant as to think that Christians invented the notion of love thy neighbour (ie the importance of community bonds) etc etc?

what is you opinion of the Romans and Ancient Greek contribution to world philosophy ?

Catsmere · 27/04/2024 10:49

And wasn't late Roman Britain already Christian? It was a matter of re-Christianising the Saxon kingdoms later, I thought.

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sashagabadon · 27/04/2024 10:52

It would just be something else though , sone other ideology.
north Korea isn’t a state based on religion is it?
the Russian revolution wasn’t a religious uprising either?
people like to fight and argue and get into tribes and kill each other!

Catsmere · 27/04/2024 10:57

Yes, ideological, controlling, inhumane cults don't need religion to exist.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 27/04/2024 11:10

Kendodd · 27/04/2024 10:26

If you read the book Sapiens, the writer describes something called a 'cognitive revolution'. It's when early human suddenly got clever. Some put this down to the birth of religion. I can completely understand this theory as it would also be the birth of imagination.

TBH I’d put the birth of religion down to people trying to explain things they couldn’t otherwise even begin to understand. Their intelligence/curioisity would demand explanations, so they came up with one that seemed to fit the bill (in various forms) for countless generations.

Kendodd · 27/04/2024 16:06

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 27/04/2024 11:10

TBH I’d put the birth of religion down to people trying to explain things they couldn’t otherwise even begin to understand. Their intelligence/curioisity would demand explanations, so they came up with one that seemed to fit the bill (in various forms) for countless generations.

Well, yes, as I said, the birth of imagination. Apparently, according to this book, early humans plodded about for thousands of years, similar to the way animals do, then suddenly, a great leap forward in cognitive ability!!! This is about the time, what might be described as religion appeared, people having ceremonies, wearing jewellery, art etc. Fascinating book, if you haven't read it.

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