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Red flags with men

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Hartley99 · 17/04/2024 13:33

My sister has just moved to a new estate with her two daughters – one 10 the other 13. It is a new estate, onto which developers have squeezed a lot of houses and flats. She therefore has many new neighbours. Quite a number are single men, many of them middle-aged or older. Some, I guess, are divorced or gay, others unmarried. Naturally, as a single mother of two young girls, she's wary.

Now, before I get flamed, I know that not every single, childless man over 40 is a creep. That goes without saying. My brother is over 40 and unmarried, and so is a cousin. Both are thoroughly decent men.

That said, I do understand her concerns. Last summer, during a heatwave, I took her eldest girl (then 12) into town for the day. She wore quite skimpy, revealing clothes, but even so I was shocked by some of the looks we got. I don't have a daughter myself, and was quite chubby as a girl, so I'm probably naive. We wandered round town and then went and ate some lunch in the park. Jesus, the number of drooling, lingering looks really upset me. Time and again I'd catch men looking at her out the corner of their eye. And these were often men in their 50s and 60s, out shopping with their wives. Has anyone else had this experience? By the time we got back to the car I was raging.

I told my sister that if she feels an instant revulsion, trust that response. It's usually correct. There used to be a guy in my local Tesco who I couldn't bear. He made my skin crawl. There was absolutely no reason for this (I'd never even heard him speak), but something about him set my alarm bells ringing. I later found out he was on the sex offender's register. What is it that sets those alarm bells off? It's so strange. I sometimes wonder if we have a sixth sense for this kind of thing. It isn't eccentricity. I have had male colleagues and neighbours over the years who were eccentric or unconventional, yet in many cases I liked and trusted them. If you were my sister, what red flags would you be looking for?

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ImVanillaBaby · 17/04/2024 13:48

There are none

And your stereotyping is way off the mark

PurpleBugz · 17/04/2024 13:57

I understand what you are saying op. I don't think we can list the red flags to look out for however as we will inevitably miss some and some will be flags in some situations not others. You will inevitability get flamed by the 'not all men are like that' brigade. I think the point is SOME men are like that and so to protect against them you teach the girls never to walk alone, never get into a car, if you feel uncomfortable trust it and leave the situation etc etc.

I was assaulted many times as a teen. You get the looks when with an adult but alone or with other young girls I got my arse pinched etc regularly. Modest clothes didn't stop it but there was less. And I hate to give this advice and I don't think it's right but I will tell my own daughter that she must cover up and never walk alone or taxi alone because while it's not fair it does keep a young woman safer

Noadvertising · 17/04/2024 13:58

A 12 year old child shouldn’t be wearing skimpy revealing clothes.

Comedycook · 17/04/2024 13:59

She shouldn't get too friendly with any of her neighbours imo. Always stay aloof but polite

Comedycook · 17/04/2024 14:00

Dodgy men tend to like vulnerable women so don't show them any vulnerability or reveal any of your problems to them

LifeExperience · 17/04/2024 14:39

They were probably thinking that they wouldn't let their daughters/granddaughters out of the house looking like that.

Cbljgdpk · 17/04/2024 14:44

Not really sure what you mean; is she looking to date these men?

Hartley99 · 17/04/2024 15:49

LifeExperience · 17/04/2024 14:39

They were probably thinking that they wouldn't let their daughters/granddaughters out of the house looking like that.

Oh for christ sake I obviously didn't mean she was wearing high heels and red lipstick. It was a boiling hot day and she was wearing a loose top that revealed her tummy. She's a pretty, slim girl, but wasn't inappropriately dressed. And no, I don't think they were looking at her disapprovingly, not when their tongues were virtually hanging out.

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ImVanillaBaby · 17/04/2024 15:53

I think you are exaggerating that bit op...

Hartley99 · 17/04/2024 15:59

Cbljgdpk · 17/04/2024 14:44

Not really sure what you mean; is she looking to date these men?

I don't know whether she's looking to date them, though who knows, I suppose it may happen. These are the people she's going to be raising her girls around, so naturally she's wary. Plus, of course, she's a single mum.

There was a post on MN by someone who said she'd moved to a new area and that an elderly neighbour introduced himself while she was out walking her dog. She said he seemed very friendly, but that something wasn't quite right. A few days later she was with her teenage daughter and they bumped into him again. The way he looked at her daughter set off alarm bells and she felt an overpowering urge to get her away from him. She later found out he was on the sex offender's register. I've had a similar experience – where I've met someone and felt an instant revulsion without being able to explain why. In that case he also turned out to be on the register.

What is it that sets off that alarm bell? That's what puzzles me. Is there something we pick up on subconsciously? Why is it that one neighbour seems fine, and another gives us the creeps, and yet in many cases we barely know them?

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OhHelloMiss · 17/04/2024 16:01

She would be better off keeping an eye on her own family members tbh!

Those are the ones with free access....

Comedycook · 17/04/2024 16:02

She really should not get too friendly. They are random people who just happen to live in the same area. I wouldn't give them any more than a polite nod or a quick hello. I wouldn't even tell them my name.

Overtheatlantic · 17/04/2024 16:05

It sounds like your sisters instincts have already served her well. Why do you need to weigh in?

Floogal · 17/04/2024 17:55

Maybe it's just me who thinks this (relates to what you say about eccentricity) but one red flag for me is actually men who seem to make a big deal about how they respect and are protectors of women, or how they don't like paedophiles or rapists (no one does but why make such a big deal about it). Or men who make too much effort to be nice and sensitive- can see through it.

Floogal · 17/04/2024 17:56

Oh, men who are happy to buy tobacco and alcohol for under 18s. What are they hoping to get out of it by risking a big fine?

Dacadactyl · 17/04/2024 18:01

Some men give off bad vibes but there are some very normal seeming men who are real predators.

If I was a single mum, I honestly wouldnt have an unrelated man in my house til my kids were well grown.

OhHelloMiss · 17/04/2024 18:18

Dacadactyl · 17/04/2024 18:01

Some men give off bad vibes but there are some very normal seeming men who are real predators.

If I was a single mum, I honestly wouldnt have an unrelated man in my house til my kids were well grown.

It's the RELATED men who you need to be most wary of!!

SgtOliviaBenson · 17/04/2024 18:27

Noadvertising · 17/04/2024 13:58

A 12 year old child shouldn’t be wearing skimpy revealing clothes.

A 12 year old girl should be able to wear what she likes without 60 year old paedos perving on her!

SgtOliviaBenson · 17/04/2024 18:27

ImVanillaBaby · 17/04/2024 13:48

There are none

And your stereotyping is way off the mark

There are no red flags for men?

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