New smoking ban for anyone born after 2009

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Hey all, just wondering what people's thoughts are on the smoking ban that will come into force which mean anyone born after 2009 will never legally be able to buy cigarettes.

My opinion is that it will be good for public health in general and I say this as a smoker. But what about all the tax etc generated from cigarette and vape sales?

Apologies if this is already being discussed, I've not seen it anywhere on here yet.

Agreed. How on earth that got so out of control so quickly is worrying. The govt is so far behind on vaping (and online safety).

Aren't vapes included in the ban? I only had half an ear on the news yesterday and could have sworn they said it would be cigarettes AND vapes. A woman they were speaking to said that she didn't smoke but started vaping and regretted it.

I think it's time smoking was phased out. And I say that as an ex smoker and now occasional vaper.

Most of my friends that smoked have now swapped to vaping. I know it's not great either but evidence is showing it is a lot better for you than smoking. As a stop smoking aid I think vaping is excellent (but I appreciate there are issues with children taking it up.)

Cigarettes are extremely addictive and absolutely terrible for public health. I was an addict and I don't think any more addicts should be created. This law would affect my children and I'm all for it to be honest.

I started smoking at 12 and had a horrible time stopping three years ago when I was 42, I fully support this ban. I’d be devastated if my DC started smoking.

It’s fantastic, brilliant, wonderful. Seriously I am so pleased this has been passed. UK leading the world yet again.

no vapes are not included
i know they want to convince them to change their packaging though

I think NZ got there first..

Lots of the world is 'dry' though but also heavy smokers

So its more accurate to look at the number of deaths per head of the demographic who actually does the activity

How many deaths per head for smokers of smoke related disease
How many deaths perr head for drinkers of alcohol related disease

and we might as well look at
How many deaths per head for the obese from obesity related disease

In any case, I would rather live next door to a family of smokers than a family of weed smokers/other drugs

I thought it was overturned by the Opposition?

edit: Feb 2024 - New Zealand's new coalition government has now confirmed the toughest anti-tobacco measures in the world are being revoked.

The government forbidding us to do something never sits right with me.

Slippery slope and all that.

Prohibition in America in the 1920s anyone?

Wasn't aware, I stand corrected.

I agree with this , it doesn't sit right with me at all.

So you don’t agree with laws?

Whats further down/ at the bottom of the slippery slope?

I think it’s going to be a bit silly banning some like a servicemen or fireman etc (who risk their lives regularly), when they’re adult, from buying cigs.😗

But, it might not have enough parliamentary time to put into law anyway.🤷‍♀️

I don't agree with some laws no. This being one of them

I have mixed feelings. I very much dislike smoking, and there’s a certain irony that once upon a time, it was seen as “socially important” to smoke, and woe betide those who did not. Also that the doctor who told the world that smoking was bad for you was villified at the time; it has similarities with the silencing of scientists who argued against lockdown.

Pre-lockdown, I would have supported this ban. But now that we’ve seen just how reckless and ruthless the government can be with micromanaging the public, and the bullying, bribing and shaming by the government, I’m now much more wary of any government attempt to “control” what the public does, especially in the name of health.

So it’s not just about being forbidden then. What is it about this particular law you don’t agree with? Assuming you’re over 14, it wouldn’t affect you anyway? What did you think about banning smoking indoors? There was uproar about that at the time. Lots of ‘nanny state’ etc

Covid was an unknown entity. Smoking and its effects on the smoker and those around them are well known. I don’t understand how these are being compared. It just seems like a general distrust of authority, which I get, but this one I do agree with. New things do have to be introduced from time to time.

I would presume that the 3m alcohol deaths also include accidents when drunk.

So since I imagine smoking related accidents are a tiny fraction of the 8m, they might be a significant part of the 3m.

Or is it health based deaths only, not deaths where alcohol was a factor in injury etc?

It'll just go the same way as the illegal vapes sold in corner shops.

and we might as well look at
How many deaths per head for the obese from obesity related disease

Not remotely the same. Everyone needs to eat, and not everyone has access to nutritious, affordable food and the time and resources to prepare it.

Nobody needs to drink or smoke.

It will be about as effective as Prohibition in the USA.

I thought about this too. Then I thought of things like the seat belt law, and wonder if it's any different?

It's the right thing to do.

When smoking was banned in public buildings there was uproar ( from smokers) now it seems hard to believe if people wanted to go to a pub they had to accept smoke being blown in Their face.

There will be a transition period and In the short term not much will change but long term it will pay off