Iran fires drones at Israel

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I hope this is not moved to the Middle East section.

Israel's Netanyahu says defences are 'ready' as Iran attacks - BBC News

Iran has launched aerial drones at Israel, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says, appearing to mark a widely anticipated reprisal attack.
Israel's Channel 12 TV says the salvo is expected to reach Israel at around 02:00 on Sunday (00:00 GMT).
It said Israeli forces were on high alert and "monitoring all targets".

This does not seem good.

It's not unexpected given Israel attacked first but is going to have massive implications for the whole middle east.

I wonder what Bidens response is going to be?

Iran is really not happy with what Israel did to its Consulate.

"The malicious regime itself, which is all malice, evil and error, added another mistake to its own errors by launching an attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria.
The consulate and embassy offices in any country where they exist are regarded as the soil of the country to which the embassy belongs. Attacking our consulate is like attacking our soil …
The malicious regime has made a wrong move in this case. It should be punished and it will be punished.

Biden has promised ironclad support for Israel. I'm quite nervous about what that means.

My sister and family live there. They are preparing their safe room.

I'm also wondering if we are going to end up in a war against Iran?

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel with bombs for months.

We should not get involved, at all. Retaliation was bound to happen.

Time to back off from these war mongering nations. Any nation happy to commit war crimes and bomb innocent children is not worthy of support. We should know when to walk away.

It’s a mess and I wish this country would stay out of it. I don’t want to be allied to a country that thinks it’s ok to attack Iran and then expect the US to pick up the pieces for them.

You do know we created this mess originally?

Makes me so angry we the general public have no say if we go to war while all the decision makers are well protected..we’ll they won’t be having my son if shit kicks off

Yes and it’s shameful. All we did when creating Isreal is create suffering.

"We" also created the only place in the world were Jewish people can live without fear of antisemitism.

It's not an either/or situation. Jewish people should rightly have places to live without fear of antisemitism, but that should not come at the expense of rights of other groups of people.

But giving Jewish people somewhere to safely live kind of implies that suffering isn't the only thing that came out of the creation of Israel.

Jewish people are not a monolith. They were / are a myriad of countries they could have lived in, and do live in, peacefully and safely. Why should "giving Jewish people somewhere to safely live" preside over giving other people a right to a safe and peaceful place to live.

I'm not disputing that suffering isn't the only thing that came out of the creation of Israel. But suffering shouldn't have happened at all.

Whether you like it or not Israel exists. It is probably the only country in the world where Jewish people are not in danger of antisemitism.

And no, I don't think there were a myriad of countries Jewish people could feel same in 1947.

The issue isn't liking or not whether Israel exists. What's done is done. I just don't think it should have been created for the sole purpose of giving a population residence, while displacing and /or treating the existing inhabitants as lesser. Also, Jewish people had the support of the UN and, at the very least, the member countries of the UNSC at the time.

Problem is zionism now, there quite antisemitism against the beliefs of Judaism, they seem to be troublesome

To add another angle to your argument, I'm from a religious and ethnic minority who also have faced persecution.

In the past my people were offered refuge or legal routes to other countries. In no way did anyone think to give my people a new state to live in - and - in no way was that expected from our people.

We were not safe or free from racism, but made the best of the counties we ended up in, working and living alongside the existing populations, without displacing or treating people as lesser. It can work.

To caveat, I know not all Israelis treat others as lesser, and there are many Jewish people who hold my sentiment.

What?

Good for you. I wonder why Jewish people in 1947 might not have had that sentiment?

Good for us indeed.

As I said in my post, being persecuted, at any point in time, is no reason for anyone to expect or be "given" a country without regard to those already living there.