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How’s this for a whole new level of cheeky fuckery - someone has token our allotment!

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YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 12:00

Moved into our new house in January. Bought off a lovely lady who was a widow and something of a popular figure in the street (relevant).

We were pleasantly surprised to find that in the deeds it came with a garage across the road (which we’d seen at the viewing but it wasn’t clear it belonged to the house) and an allotment plot. We’ve actually been on an allotment waiting list for years so it was nice news.

We’ve already had aggro with the garage - when we got the keys we went to open it and found that it was rammed full of full boxes! I called previous owner directly as she gave us her number (as assumed they were hers) and she said she allowed our next door neighbour for years to use it. He was most put out when we told him to clear his stuff as we needed to use it. This was 3 months ago, and only last week did he finally clear it out, and only did so when we had to get shitty with him and say if he didn’t clear the garage we would do it for him (don’t want to get off an a bad foot with the neighbours but he was taking the piss).

Anyway we have never checked out the allotment before now (it’s not far about a 10 min walk from here) just because of time constraints and illnesses and crappy weather but decided to finally today go and find it as the sun is shining here.

Anyway, when we got there we looked on the sheet of paper we’d been given and found the plot - and a person sitting next to a full and lush patch sitting on a chair having a cuppa! There is also a shed full of tools coffee cups newspapers etc in it too . We asked the person if we’d got it wrong as we are new owners of number 8 on X Street and thought this was our new allotment.

Apparently she is our neighbour down the road (never yet met her) and yes whilst it is the allotment belonging to number 8, the previous owner (a “very dear friend” of hers apparently) let her use it, she’s been using it for 10 years.

My DH, still stinging from the garage debacle, said well I’m afraid your very dear friend doesn’t live in no 8 any more we do and we are reclaiming the allotment, thank you for looking after it but it is OURS to enjoy.

She bloody said no! And that she’s cultivated this patch for several years, she grows all her veggies here and it’s her sanctuary so if we want it we will ‘have to fight for it’! She also said she paid for the shed.

DH said that’s fine, expect a fight then, and we shuffled away in shock. I then rang the old owner and she said “Oh yes it’s Barbara’s plot really she was good to take it off my hands and it would be awful to take it off her”. To be clear - the plot has NOT been sold to Barbara.

I just can’t believe the piss takery of this. DH thinks we should just go and take down the shed, leave it at her front door and dig up everything and chuck it all in a bin.

I feel like the neighbours just took the piss out of the old owner and think they genuinely have a claim to the stuff she was kind enough to let them borrow.

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saraclara · 11/04/2024 19:31

I'd forgive both parties for anything said in shock at that moment. It was a bizarre situation than neither was expecting and all parties felt momentarily threatened by.

OP has recognised that she and DH didn't handle it perfectly, and I dare say that Barbara might be thinking the same.

It's a shame that the only safe way of handling it is through lawyers, as I suspect that another, calmer chat would be beneficial for all in the sense of maintaining a calm relationship. But I think that ship has sailed.

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:34

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/04/2024 18:50

How could Barbara be "shocked" when her "very dear friend" sold the property likely six months ago. And she knows perfectly well she was merely borrowing the property.

Does anyone find it credible that a sentient 60-year-old woman thinks she was handed a valuable piece of property permanently, despite it now legally belonging to a stranger??

nope

PineappleTime · 11/04/2024 19:36

Probablyfinebutworried · 11/04/2024 19:18

She's not a CF. She's an old lady who has cultivated some land and didn't realise she would be booted off. Take your land back- but don't be a dick about it.

Rubbish 😆 60s is not an old lady and anyone with a brain understands that when a piece of land you're using is sold to new owners that you won't be allowed to keep it. Unless she genuinely believed she'd been given it, in which case she's daft.

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/04/2024 19:39

saraclara · 11/04/2024 19:31

I'd forgive both parties for anything said in shock at that moment. It was a bizarre situation than neither was expecting and all parties felt momentarily threatened by.

OP has recognised that she and DH didn't handle it perfectly, and I dare say that Barbara might be thinking the same.

It's a shame that the only safe way of handling it is through lawyers, as I suspect that another, calmer chat would be beneficial for all in the sense of maintaining a calm relationship. But I think that ship has sailed.

How could Barbara fail to expect that the new owners of the property would expect a stranger to clear out?

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:39

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/04/2024 19:23

She's 60 years old. As a woman the same age, I dispute that Barbara is some sort of vulnerable "old lady."

Her words about fighting for it are off-putting.

this. I am 70 and can do the "vulnerable old lady" act to perfection when I want to. Several years ago I was harrassed by a neighbouring couple (not my next doors who are lovely) who obvs thought I was vulnerable because I live alone and am old. Their mistake. CFerdom is not restricted to the young and neither is tooth and claw. PS I an NOT a CF and never have been.

ruthgordon123 · 11/04/2024 19:42

Presumably you had a solicitor. Please don't say as cash buyers you didn't. It's really their job to allert you to these problems. It shouldn't be a surprise to see the deeds and know what you have and have not, for example if there's a lease hold etc. I think it would have been neighbourly to write to these people well before you moved in.
I do feel sorry for you....making enemies straight away. Most people wait a few years!

ClaudiaWinklepanda · 11/04/2024 19:42

Tarmac the fuck out of it, OP. That’ll learn ‘er. Grin

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:43

Noseybookworm · 11/04/2024 18:56

If it's a large plot of land, would it be possible to divide it in half and let her rent half of it from you? I had an allotment and it's a lot of work to upkeep if juggling jobs/kids etc so might be good to have a smaller plot of land to work if it fits your needs. Also, would be a kind of compromise if you don't want to alienate all your new neighbours! Not that you've done anything wrong but people who've lived in a street can be cliquey if they see the newcomers as troublemakers 😳

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well that's among the worst advice I have ever read on here.

fungipie · 11/04/2024 19:43

Probablyfinebutworried · 11/04/2024 19:18

She's not a CF. She's an old lady who has cultivated some land and didn't realise she would be booted off. Take your land back- but don't be a dick about it.

Agreed, probably been all her life for last 10 years- her peace and quiet place and growing decent food. She probably could not bear to even think of having to give it up, and hoped, with all her heart, that the new owners would not be interested at all.

Honestly, I truly feel sorry for her. I know many people who have allotments, and it is their favourite place and a true lifeline in so so many ways- including the friendships with other allotment keepers. They probably love her to bits and won't make you feel very welcome, to say the least- if they realise, as said above, that you have been true d*cks about it, and very unpleasant to her.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 11/04/2024 19:43

saraclara · 11/04/2024 18:57

I've said this over and over again. I suspect that Barbara thought it was a normal rented allotment and had no idea that it was part of the house sale. Again, it's unusual that an allotment forms part of anyone's title deeds. It's far more usual for them to be rented from the council.

Barbara can’t possibly have thought that because her cultivating the land is presented as her helping out the previous owner by taking it off her hands. That makes no sense if it’s rented because if that was the case the previous owner could just have stopped renting it and let someone else have a turn. She knew full well it went with the property but assumed the new owner had to just let her carry on using it, whether because she is a cheeky fucker or because she has been misled in some way by the former owner.

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:43

ruthgordon123 · 11/04/2024 19:42

Presumably you had a solicitor. Please don't say as cash buyers you didn't. It's really their job to allert you to these problems. It shouldn't be a surprise to see the deeds and know what you have and have not, for example if there's a lease hold etc. I think it would have been neighbourly to write to these people well before you moved in.
I do feel sorry for you....making enemies straight away. Most people wait a few years!

oh I dunno, it gets it over with :)

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:45

fungipie · 11/04/2024 19:43

Agreed, probably been all her life for last 10 years- her peace and quiet place and growing decent food. She probably could not bear to even think of having to give it up, and hoped, with all her heart, that the new owners would not be interested at all.

Honestly, I truly feel sorry for her. I know many people who have allotments, and it is their favourite place and a true lifeline in so so many ways- including the friendships with other allotment keepers. They probably love her to bits and won't make you feel very welcome, to say the least- if they realise, as said above, that you have been true d*cks about it, and very unpleasant to her.

oh listen, did you actually read what happened? They were not the unpleasant ones.

gamerchick · 11/04/2024 19:46

Isn't the answer obvious? Draw up a legal contract asking for rent of the plot that totals your mortgage payments and get her to sign it.

The problem will resolve itself probably. Once it sinks in she doesn't have any legal right to be there. I certainly wouldn't go for a shared space.

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:47

Irridescantshimmmer · 11/04/2024 17:58

Contact your local council and get them to deal with it....... hopefully to minimise any more neighbours disputes but the CFer on your allotment needs to be dealt with by the council because she's ASBO fodder for blowing up like her rear end was on fire.

A strongly worded letter from the council makes most people back down.

why? its not their land

Dustybarn · 11/04/2024 19:48

Option 1 and put and end to any discussion. If you continue to deal with Barbara she may try to jerk you around for years. You already know she has form for it.

TomeTome · 11/04/2024 19:51

60 is not so old that you are a dithering old dear. Give her a day to remove her belongings and then carry on. Of course you must have your veg patch this year. You’ve worked hard to get the house, and dh is obviously really looking forward to it. You won’t make enemies unless they are totally bonkers.

YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 19:51

anyolddinosaur · 11/04/2024 18:31

Allotments Act may apply https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/14/31

All those saying Barbara has no rights may be wrong.

Would this not refer to allotments in the traditional sense as opposed to plots of land?

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anyolddinosaur · 11/04/2024 19:51

The previous owner is legally responsible for any costs associated with gaining vacant possession. So I'd phone her. tell her that and see of she can sort out Barbara.

EdithArtois · 11/04/2024 19:55

I would let her harvest anything she has sown. You might want to be nice to her she may be able to claim adverse possession after that length of time in occupation! also an allotment is really hard work. I would tread lightly and formalise her possession with a pepeprcorn rent and a share of the bounty. The you can terminate her lease whenever you are ready to take over

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:56

EdithArtois · 11/04/2024 19:55

I would let her harvest anything she has sown. You might want to be nice to her she may be able to claim adverse possession after that length of time in occupation! also an allotment is really hard work. I would tread lightly and formalise her possession with a pepeprcorn rent and a share of the bounty. The you can terminate her lease whenever you are ready to take over

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Gingernaut · 11/04/2024 19:57

Belmondo · 11/04/2024 12:05

That's incredibly frustrating. I wonder if Barbara essentially has squatters' rights?! 😳

Well, no she hasn't

Although allowed to cultivate the land, it was always acknowledged that the land belonged to someone else, but she was allowed to use it

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 19:58

I have just reread this thread. The next time I want to pull a scam using my vulnerable old lady act, I am DEFFO going to post the bait on this thread.

WarshipRocinante · 11/04/2024 19:59

EdithArtois · 11/04/2024 19:55

I would let her harvest anything she has sown. You might want to be nice to her she may be able to claim adverse possession after that length of time in occupation! also an allotment is really hard work. I would tread lightly and formalise her possession with a pepeprcorn rent and a share of the bounty. The you can terminate her lease whenever you are ready to take over

They want to take over now. Her husband has been on the waiting list for a council allotment for years. Now he has his own piece of land. He doesn’t want to wait.

And please can you explain how they can claim adverse possession? Because that only applied when you use land or property without the permission of the owner, then you have to put in a claim and the owner has a few months to reply and then 2 years to take legal action. You don’t just get to have it. But the main part is that you use it without permission of the owner. Barbara was using it with permission of the owner so there is no way to claim adverse possession. This has been repeatedly debunked on this thread. Do you have some info on updated rules or something? How can she claim adverse possession?

Hankunamatata · 11/04/2024 19:59

I'd put a notice up and one thrugh her door saying she has x number of days to remove her items from your land

CliffsofMohair · 11/04/2024 19:59

ClaudiaWinklepanda · 11/04/2024 19:42

Tarmac the fuck out of it, OP. That’ll learn ‘er. Grin

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