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Car seats over 135cm but under 150cm

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Georgethecat1 · 09/04/2024 16:52

What are most people doing with car seats between 135cm and 150cm?

The legal limit is 135cm to have no car seat, do kids look comfortable without a car seat at this height? Or are most people continuing until 150cm?

We aren’t at 135cm yet but thinking about changing cars or possibly ttc for a third (unsure at the moment) so thinking ahead about car seats etc.

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SoLuckyToHaveYou · 09/04/2024 17:13

It works for DC. I’d imagine a child with a shorter body/longer legs might still need a car seat. It depends on where the seatbelt crosses really.

SpringOfContentment · 09/04/2024 17:25

Have a look at the 5 step check somewhere like here:

https://thecarseatlady.com/the-5-step-test-your-way-to-know-if-a-child-can-ride-safely-without-a-booster/

Both mine were much closer to 150 before they were comfortable in a seat with no booster - although we moved to a cushion for a bit, after their shoulders were a bit squished in the hbb.

Georgethecat1 · 09/04/2024 19:12

SpringOfContentment · 09/04/2024 17:25

Have a look at the 5 step check somewhere like here:

https://thecarseatlady.com/the-5-step-test-your-way-to-know-if-a-child-can-ride-safely-without-a-booster/

Both mine were much closer to 150 before they were comfortable in a seat with no booster - although we moved to a cushion for a bit, after their shoulders were a bit squished in the hbb.

This is amazingly helpful thank you so much!

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Kalevala · 09/04/2024 19:19

I had a seat that went to 150cm but I found it wouldn't fit in the car on the highest setting. I put my child in the front at 10 with the seat all the way back instead. The front seat was a better fit than the back for the seat belt meaning he passed the five point test. It also helped with travel sickness which had been an issue. The alternative would have been a cushion booster in the back.

stargirl1701 · 09/04/2024 19:21

We are going to 150cm as a minimum but there are 5 checks before it is really safe. DC are 11 and 9. We use a booster cushion for DD1 and a HBB for DD2.

ghostbusters · 09/04/2024 19:26

I discovered, through my limited research, that seat belts in cars are designed for humans 150cm or taller. Across Europe they have kids in car seats until they are 150cm, and I believe the UK is heading that way later this year too. To me, 135cm seems far too little to ditch the car seat.

My eldest went without a car seat at 149cm (age 11) as he couldn't get his shoulders under his HBB headrest. We found a HBB that went to 150cm but was not designed for comfort at that height. My youngest is 143cm (age 9) and will stay in his HBB as long as possible. Luckily he has plenty of room to grow into it yet.

Kalevala · 09/04/2024 19:31

We found a HBB that went to 150cm but was not designed for comfort at that height.

DS was also finding the HBB uncomfortable to sit in for long periods in the lead up to outgrowing the second from highest setting. We regularly drove up to an hour and a half and he was complaining it hurt.

stargirl1701 · 09/04/2024 19:37

@ghostbusters

We found the same for my 11 year old. We had to switch to a booster cushion.

Sprogonthetyne · 09/04/2024 19:50

DS is very tall and skinny, and already 135cm at 7. He's on a booster at the minute and we intend to keep it until the end of primary school, by which point he'll easily be 150cm.

Kalevala · 09/04/2024 19:56

Has anyone else found that the seat of the booster got too shallow before outgrown in height? It stopped supporting DS's knees as his legs got too long, that combined with the hardness of the seat made it very uncomfortable by 135cm. Maybe they make deeper seats now for older children, this was a few years ago.

BertieBotts · 14/04/2024 09:57

This ended up really wordy, so have bolded the important points.

IME children between 135-150cm will fit well without a booster seat in some cars but not in others, whereas 150cm+ children generally get a good fit in all cars.

It also depends on whether the child is long legged, skinny, etc. But the seatbelt will be in slightly different places in different cars, the length of the back seat etc. The middle seat is often slightly smaller and slightly raised, which sometimes helps.

Also, even if belt fit isn't perfect, it's likely that the seatbelt will still give "good enough" protection over 135cm, which makes it a reasonable risk to take for occasional or short journeys even if you prefer to continue with a booster in your main car.

All of these are the reason that the UK rule is 135cm whereas some countries have it at 150cm. It means it's at your discretion.

I do think some of those "5 step" things are overstated - there is no need for their feet to reach the floor (though they may be more comfortable with a step to rest their feet on) and nobody sits perfectly still like a robot for an entire car journey.

The most important thing to look at is the lap belt - it needs to run over their pelvis, whether that means it lies on the pelvis itself or over the tops of the thighs touching the pelvis. If it's running over their tummy, then it's too high posing a higher risk of injury in a crash. A booster seat (backless or high back) "boosts" them up to correct this.

The second thing to check is whether they are sitting right at the back of the seat when they get this good fit. What you'll sometimes find is that DC obligingly sit right to the back to show you that the belt fits properly, but their legs aren't quite long enough to bend their knees at the edge of the seat, and it's not comfortable for them to stick straight out so they naturally slouch or scoot to the end to bend their legs. That moves their bum/pelvis forwards leaving a little gap behind them, and so the lap belt moves up onto the tummy rather than the hips, which is not a good fit. So these DC would benefit from a booster seat for a bit longer, even though they might be absolutely fine in a different car with shallower seats.

If the belt is too high on their neck so that it's rubbing, some DC will find this annoying and want to pop their shoulder out of the belt or place it under their arm. This is very dangerous in a crash because it means the belt won't pin them back effectively, meaning they could hit their head on the front seat or be hit by the inflating airbag (sounds harmless, but it's not). They can also get internal injuries from the belt itself, if it's under the arm. So again if they are doing this they still need some kind of booster seat. Most of the aftermarket solutions sold to solve this issue are not safe - they try to pull the shoulder belt down by attaching it to the lap belt, which pulls the lap belt up. If your child still physically fits in/on a booster seat, a booster seat is a much preferable option compared to any other product on the market.

If you are an adult who is shorter than 150cm or finds seatbelts too high/uncomfortable and you can't adjust it any lower in the car, the "Klunk Clip" or Carpoint Belt Clip product is a safe solution though it is NOT preferable to a booster seat for children.

Children can be too tall for a high backed booster - if the booster won't adjust any higher and their shoulders are higher than the belt guide, then it's too small for them and you should stop using it. Also they can be blocked from adjusting higher by the sides of the car roof being too low. And as several people have mentioned, some HBB seats aren't really designed for comfort at the larger stages. If you want to keep your child in a high backed booster it's likely possible to buy a taller one and/or with a deeper leg rest - just go and measure them in a shop/take your child with you. Anecdotally, Joie do one which adjusts (Traver) and Britax are fairly deep in the seat, the higher end Cybex ones adjust wider for shoulders, and Diono are good for wider hips. Cheaper brands and combination type seats tend to also be quite short, also Maxi Cosi and some cheaper Cybex.

But a backless booster is a good option for older children if you don't want to buy an expensive high back, to alleviate embarrassment, or a low cost/more portable option. It's recommended that children should be at least 22kg/125cm in order to change to a backless booster, but a good quality high back does offer better protection if it fits safely and is properly adjusted.

Children over 36kg can still use booster seats - this weight limit is part of the old R44 standard and should be ignored if there's no harness in the seat. (Question mark over combination seats - a lot of manufacturers do prefer use of these are discontinued at weights over 36kg). If preferred, you can purchase a R129 standard booster as these are allowed to have higher weight limits or specify no weight limit, only a height limit.

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