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Does anyone work as a customer service advisor for HMRC / CS?

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LanaL · 06/04/2024 19:37

I’m applying for this role .

Im a teacher , fairly new still an ECT , looking to get out of teaching , I also have 17 years previous experience as a customer service advisor .

I have posted about it already on here but this time I’m looking for some advice on the role from anyone that works there .

  • it says it’s part wfh - 2 days at home and 3 in the office but can be discussed as more days from home - how does it work for you , how much are you in the office ?
  • what’s it like for booking annual leave during school holidays ?
  • what type of break do you get at Christmas ?
  • what’s flexi time ? It says shifts are between 745am - 8pm , Mon - Sat with one late finish per week and up to 6 Saturdays per year . Working hours are 36.5 - does this mean I could effectively choose my hours ( to an extent - obviously I know I won’t be able to just start and finish when I want but could I maybe choose to do longer hours one day and less the other for eg ? )
  • This one is a personal question so I know some peoples may not want to answer but what is the take home average ? The salary is £24,278 - I’ve worked that out on a salary calculator to around £1650 monthly , does this sound about right ?
Sorry , a lot of questions ! Just a lot to weigh up to leave teaching and go into it ( not that it’s a given I’ll get it , I’ve passed the online test and I’m working on my application but I would just like to know what I’m getting in to )

I know some people might say it’s boring , or it’s a high pressure on phones but honestly I just hate teaching 😩

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ChannelLightVessel · 06/04/2024 20:36

I did this job for about 18 months until six months ago, when I applied for another HMRC role.
To answer your points:
We were expected to work in the office at least 60% of the time, but it is averaged out over a month, so you can do more days at home, say, in half term week, and make it up the week before/after. You can get free, extra equipment eg monitor to use at home, and also get back costs of new desk/chair. The only disadvantage of WFH is you may need to upgrade you home WIFI.
The only times leave is restricted is around Christmas/New Year and Easter. You are asked to put in your request well beforehand, and everyone is accommodated if possible.
The only time the office is closed is bank holidays: otherwise, you have to book leave.
Atm, there is no Saturday working. You work until 6pm one day a week, but it may carry on later as all calls in the queue before 6pm have to be answered. How long that takes depends on the time of year - it may be 7.30pm+ SA peak.
You record the hours you work (must have at least half an hour’s break if working over six hours a day). No one expects you to start at a particular time, though it can’t be earlier than 7.45am. You can agree a permanent working pattern where you do more hours on Mondays and fewer on Wednesdays, but you need your manager’s permission to work an unagreed short day/take a whole day of flexi leave, however much flexi credit you’ve built up. (This is for work planning reasons).
I work part-time, so I’m not sure what the full-time take home pay is. The main reason people move on, me included, is not dislike of the work, but lack of opportunity for progression. Only EO role is team leader.
Colleagues are lovely and very supportive. Training not brilliant.
I don’t really like talking on the phone and I hadn’t done paid work for over ten years, and I mostly really enjoyed this role.

LanaL · 06/04/2024 21:16

Thank you that is all really helpful ! Is it limited to only 2 days from home or are you able to request more ? Although 2 days is fine !

When you say restricted around Easter / Christmas do you mean it’s hard to get it off ? Does that mean other times it’s there to take off if you need it ?

Sorry for all the questions - it’s mainly because I’m worried about going from big working in the holidays / working 1-2 days per week to not being guaranteed any of them off at all

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ChannelLightVessel · 06/04/2024 21:50

It’s a max of two days at home unless you need a reasonable adjustment. I don’t know if this is the case in every office, but it’s whichever days you prefer where I work.
I’ve never had trouble getting time off when I wanted, but it’s not guaranteed you’ll get what you want at Christmas. Christmas and Easter are the only times I think that your requests are considered against other people’s before being granted.

Obviously if you’re ill, have a family crisis etc. you can have the required time off however many people are on annual leave.

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LanaL · 06/04/2024 22:01

ChannelLightVessel · 06/04/2024 21:50

It’s a max of two days at home unless you need a reasonable adjustment. I don’t know if this is the case in every office, but it’s whichever days you prefer where I work.
I’ve never had trouble getting time off when I wanted, but it’s not guaranteed you’ll get what you want at Christmas. Christmas and Easter are the only times I think that your requests are considered against other people’s before being granted.

Obviously if you’re ill, have a family crisis etc. you can have the required time off however many people are on annual leave.

That sounds ideal ! Christmas there seems to be a few days they’re usually closed anyway , so I would imagine I could use some of the other days at home!

The 6 weeks holidays are a worry but with what you’ve said about the wfh days being over the month I’m sure I could alternate with using some holiday , some wfh and maybe flexi time to be able to have some time with the children each week !

A lot of people have said that having annual leave with the CS over holidays off in teaching works out ok and either way is so much more beneficial than the stress of teaching . I just worry about not having the time with them or struggling with childcare . My children are older ( two primary school ks2 and one college but autistic so still needs care )

Thanks for answering my questions it’s really helpful !

What did you find the process like from getting the job to starting ? I’m in a school until end of the academic year and I worry about a start date for the 6 weeks training . But I have heard it can take quite a while.

Im talking as though I have the job lol I probably won’t even get it! But I just like to be secure about everything just in case x

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Flapjacker48 · 06/04/2024 22:43

After all deductions (including pension) the take home would be - £1676 monthly

LanaL · 07/04/2024 08:37

Flapjacker48 · 06/04/2024 22:43

After all deductions (including pension) the take home would be - £1676 monthly

Thank you ! That’s a relief x

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xKismetx · 10/04/2024 19:42

Hiya I was looking to apply for this role and noticed it didn't mention an additional pension. Is there no additional pension pay? Thanks x

LanaL · 10/04/2024 20:20

I had a look online and I found something saying it was just under 6% employee contributions so I calculated it based on 6%

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Flapjacker48 · 10/04/2024 21:44

For civil service salaries under £34199 the rate of employee contributions is 4.6% of pay.

Changedforthisthread1 · 10/04/2024 22:56

I have worked for HMRC for the last 21 years, I first started out in the Customer Service Group, so hopefully I'll be able to answer 😁

wfh - 2 days at home and 3 in the office
This is quite new to the Civil Service and the guidance is still being understood.

Strictly speaking everyone should attend the office 60% of their working days.
This is on a month to month basis, so like. PP said, one week you could work from home more and the next week you could go into the office more. As long as overall you have done 60% of your days in the office, your good.

You could apply based on your circumstances, to change the % of time you need to attend the office. This is called a reasonable adjustments.

For example, I have colleagues who are carers to children/parents and have carers passports.
One has an agreement to attend the office 1 day per week, the other 2 days per week

I also applied and have been approved to be a contractual homeworker, this means I work from home all the time. I only need to attend the office very occasionally, maybe once or twice a year. This is because I have a disability that is a protected characteristic.

It is possible to have a discussion with your manager to see if your % of time in the office can be changed. BUT, this is not guaranteed.

what’s it like for booking annual leave during school holidays ?
what type of break do you get at Christmas ?
In Customer Service Group, depending on which team you are in, booking annual leave for Peak periods, such as Easter, half terms, Christmas can be a bit of a nightmare.
You can book to have annual leave for school holidays, but whether you get what you want is up for debate.

A lot of parents, who can afford it, either go part time or part year.
Part year is often known as "term time"
What this means is you only work the term time and do not work the school holidays- however this means you don't get paid for the times you do not work during the school holidays. Your salary is pro-rated and reduced.

Some parents who work part year (term time) sometimes only take Easter and Christmas off and work the half terms/summer holidays.

You don't have to do this, but it's options for you to consider.

The other thing to know to the Alternative Working Pattern or the Flexibility Working Pattern.

For example there is the "5 over 4"
What this means is you still work your full time hours per week, but you work all your hours over 4 days, instead of 5 days.
This does mean you work an extra 1 hour 45 mins per day, but the benefit is you only work 4 days per week.

I have been doing the "10 over 9"
What this means is I work full time, but I fit my hours in over 9 days and I have the 10th day off.
I work and extra 30 - 45 mins per day and I have a set every other Friday off.

Basically it means, every other week, I have a lovely long 3 day weekend.
My salary isn't affected because I still work full time.

You have to apply for this, but again something for you to consider

what’s flexi time ?
The best thing about the Civil Service 🙂

You have essentially got it right.

There I'd a 'flexi sheet' where you record what hours you have worked every day.
If you have worked more than your usual hours you are now in credit with your flexi and can use that time to take time off.
Just like annual leave, you still need to book time off, but instead of using your annual.leave, you can use your flexi hours you have in credit

It's a great thing to have.
In some private sectors your sort of expected to come in early or work late and you are not paid or given the time back,. We'll, not so in the CS 😁

(You can also go into debit with your flexi, but I would recommend not to do this).

I used to have the 'old style contract' where we have full flexi and could come and go as I pleased. As long as overall I worked my hours, I could pick and choose when I did them. Ah, those were the days.

Every Friday we used to pop to the pub for lunch and then not come back.

Anyway, this is quite a long post and hopefully its answered your questions.

skippy67 · 10/04/2024 23:02

Every Friday we used to pop to the pub for lunch and then not come back.
Ah the good old days of C&E in the 90s😅. Not been the same since we joined "The Revenue"🤣

Changedforthisthread1 · 10/04/2024 23:12

skippy67 · 10/04/2024 23:02

Every Friday we used to pop to the pub for lunch and then not come back.
Ah the good old days of C&E in the 90s😅. Not been the same since we joined "The Revenue"🤣

I was "inland Revenue" when I first joined and then we shortly joined with you C&E. to become The Revenue

Oh my goodness I remember the hoo ha.

We 'Inland Revenue' looked up to you C&E colleagues. I remember everyone starting to apply for C&E jobs because it was so much better than the Inland Revenue work.

Flapjacker48 · 11/04/2024 08:04

One should be aware that different civil service jobs offer greatly varying degrees of "flexibility" - a policy job in Whitehall vs a regional customer service style job on the telephones (with a fixed opening time of the phone service) will be different.

Do NOT think that all civil service jobs off what has been mentioned above in terms of flexi and working patterns etc

LanaL · 11/04/2024 08:53

Thank you everyone !

In terms of pension - if I was putting it into a salary calculator would that be 4.6% of gross pay ? And is that auto-enrolment , employer or salary sacrifice ?

In regards to the holidays - I couldn’t afford to only work term time or part time . I wouldn’t want to book like a chunk - like the whole lot in the 6 weeks or a whole week of Easter / 3 weeks of the 6 weeks - as there is , as it stands , 2 days from home - I would be happy with being able to book 2 days per week off then do the other 2 from home and the third in the office ( or maybe build up some flexi time / do 2 x 12 hour shifts / work the Saturday shift through out the holidays to make up for one of my days etc ) maybe a whole week for a holiday - dependant - just having some time , but having 2 days from home will be a massive help! Even though I’ll be working , I wouldn’t have to get childcare and I’ll be “here” with them . They are used to me working from home as I used to and they are very good at just getting on with their day .

Christmas - this is one I think would work well. I know the main days - Xmas , Boxing Day , New Year’s Day. -are holidays anyway. With the WFH element I think I could hopefully easily make it work - cram hours into one day , take a days holiday maybe etc . That’s my thoughts but obviously I don’t know if that would be feasible .

It is a role with fixed shifts - hours between 745 - 8. So I know that I can’t, for eg , start at 6 am to finish earlier . I also know I have to have breaks .

How do you all find it with children ? Does it feel like you get time with them ? I know with teaching in a permanent position I would get all the holidays off but I just feel like the effect of that job on my mental health isn’t worth it - yes I have that time off and it’s great when it happens , but there is still things I have to do and I’m always worrying about going back. My mind isn’t focused on them . Then in term time it’s like the children and my husband are passing ships - I’m too focused on my job to be present , so I was hoping CS could have benefits that outweigh having the holidays off .

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LanaL · 11/04/2024 09:01

In terms of a “carers passport” I have a child with a disability. Would this count? I wouldn’t want to reduce my hours but it would be beneficial for him to have me home more - especially in the holidays as he could be here instead of care.

My husband does say to me though that , aside from the holidays , he thinks I’ll get fed up if I worked from home too much . As much as I hate my job now , I do get quite down when I’m off and at home alone - I think I crave the social element of working with people . When I worked from home before it quite quickly went from part of the time in the office to all of the time at home . It was a customer service role too - so lots of calls , some very unhappy people shouting at you - and I found that I would be counting down until my shift ended because I was fed up ! But in the office , I had colleagues to vent too and we would have a giggle about things so it seemed less stressful . I found myself wanting to go into the office but it was easier for me to be at home because of childcare etc and the commute .

However- now , looking back at that , I realise I was happier in general than I am now and I didn’t realise at the time how much that working from home made my life easier . The second I logged off I was home and done and work was forgotten about until my next shift ! I never took time off - if the children were poorly , that’s fine they could stay home and I could still work. If I was poorly, I could get in my comfy clothes and be in my home and I used to think what is the point of taking a day off ? I’ll only be here anyway I may as well make some money !

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Changedforthisthread1 · 11/04/2024 09:55

@LanaL

In terms of a “carers passport” I have a child with a disability. Would this count?

To give you a bit of a background:
The Civil Service published a Carers' Stategy report to ensure the Civil Service provide the best support and have the right culture supporting employees who are carers or have caring responsibilities.

HMRC are pretty good at making sure we follow the Carers' Stategy.
There is quite a lot of support, for example:

Special leave with pay for emergency care of a dependant. - discretion of up to 5 days per rolling 12 months
Special leave without pay for Carers - up to a week per year
Carers Network - this is a network of everyone in HMRC who is a carer. They have regular meetings, group chats etc to discuss the latest HR guidance and are good for sharing experiences and support.

The Carers Passport is another support tool.
Anyone with caring responsibilities can apply.
The purpose of the passport is to have it in writing all the agreements you have in place to support you.
The aim is everything you move teams or get a new manager you dont have go back over all your conversatiions with previous managers and have to re-negotiate all your reasonable adjustments.
That said the passport doesn't guarantee that previously agreed arrangements will remain in place.

Hopefully that's been helpful.
Good luck with your application.

xKismetx · 14/04/2024 10:34

This has been really useful. What are the targets like to achieve as a customer service advisor? Its in the debt department x

skippy67 · 14/04/2024 15:51

Changedforthisthread1 · 10/04/2024 23:12

I was "inland Revenue" when I first joined and then we shortly joined with you C&E. to become The Revenue

Oh my goodness I remember the hoo ha.

We 'Inland Revenue' looked up to you C&E colleagues. I remember everyone starting to apply for C&E jobs because it was so much better than the Inland Revenue work.

I think work was probably more interesting in C&E, but the pay better in The Revenue. When HMRC was formed, the pay rise we got was a pleasant surprise! That was short lived though😅

EL8811 · 04/12/2024 05:49

Do you have targets to meet?

Haziz · 07/03/2025 13:33

ChannelLightVessel · 06/04/2024 20:36

I did this job for about 18 months until six months ago, when I applied for another HMRC role.
To answer your points:
We were expected to work in the office at least 60% of the time, but it is averaged out over a month, so you can do more days at home, say, in half term week, and make it up the week before/after. You can get free, extra equipment eg monitor to use at home, and also get back costs of new desk/chair. The only disadvantage of WFH is you may need to upgrade you home WIFI.
The only times leave is restricted is around Christmas/New Year and Easter. You are asked to put in your request well beforehand, and everyone is accommodated if possible.
The only time the office is closed is bank holidays: otherwise, you have to book leave.
Atm, there is no Saturday working. You work until 6pm one day a week, but it may carry on later as all calls in the queue before 6pm have to be answered. How long that takes depends on the time of year - it may be 7.30pm+ SA peak.
You record the hours you work (must have at least half an hour’s break if working over six hours a day). No one expects you to start at a particular time, though it can’t be earlier than 7.45am. You can agree a permanent working pattern where you do more hours on Mondays and fewer on Wednesdays, but you need your manager’s permission to work an unagreed short day/take a whole day of flexi leave, however much flexi credit you’ve built up. (This is for work planning reasons).
I work part-time, so I’m not sure what the full-time take home pay is. The main reason people move on, me included, is not dislike of the work, but lack of opportunity for progression. Only EO role is team leader.
Colleagues are lovely and very supportive. Training not brilliant.
I don’t really like talking on the phone and I hadn’t done paid work for over ten years, and I mostly really enjoyed this role.

What is the part time salary for this role? I have been trying to research but cant seem to find anything on it. Due ti start this role next month

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