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Rachel Riley now reported to have got PTSD from Strictly too

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chachacharcoal · 02/04/2024 18:44

Both the Daily Mail and the Mirror are now reporting that Rachel Riley also claims to have developed PTSD after doing Strictly. She went on to marry her partner though so he doesn't seem to have been the problem. One of the articles is also claiming she says that many of the other former contestants she's spoken to since doing the show have shared similar experiences. I was surprised by some of the vitriol Amanda Abington got for saying similar but I do realise most people have a fairly basic understanding of trauma. Anyone else very interested in this story?

Faye Tozer is also being reported to have had a negative experience with Giovanni. But the word trauma hasn't been used in that story as far as I'm aware.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13262881/Rachel-riley-strictly-come-dancing-ptsd-amanda-abbington-exit.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/rachel-riley-reveals-bbc-strictly-32493863

Rachel Riley says Strictly left her with PTSD and calls for show therapy

Countdown star Rachel Riley has revealed she was left with PTSD after appearing on Strictly Come Dancing as she calls for therapy for its contestants following Amanda Abbington's experience

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/rachel-riley-reveals-bbc-strictly-32493863

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ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 03/04/2024 09:35

godmum56 · 03/04/2024 09:24

That SEB article is very interesting. I could have written a similar one about two occasions when my late husband took on specific high profile and intensity roles in the industry he worked in. He was the one who went away to do the new high profile (not in the media) "exciting" thing and I was the one who played the back home support role....and yes his committment had to be absolute and yes it would have wrecked his career and therefore our material future if he had pulled out halfway. I am one of those who thinks how can the people who go into it not know, but I'd be interested to know how much overt up front warning the celebs get. Over the last few years I have seen a move to "clean up" the more explicit dances and also remember one female contestand (can't remember who) requiring that her rhumba should be toned down so that she would feel happy about her children watching it.

@godmum56 yes, I think the contestant you are thinking of is Sophie Ellis-Bextor (partnered with Brendan Cole). She commented on the show that she wanted to dance a rumba that she felt comfortable with, and that her husband and kids would be comfortable watching (I paraphrase).

awaynboilyurheid · 03/04/2024 09:37

Trouble is many of theses celebrities will have been told how wonderful they are most of their careers, and for first time are being told no, that wasn’t a good dance move or that needs practised again and again by a professional dancer .
They probably can’t cope with the criticism but it’s hardly PTSD
These dancers have lived and grown up in a competitive dance environment and want the best possible version of their dance to be shown. Unless your Anton and given duffers then he he cleverly turned it to his comedic advantage.
I can imagine Drs or Nurses during Covid where they were losing patients lives in huge numbers must be horrendous I’m sure many had PTSD , miners going back after the roof collapsed etc but these celebs claiming it because someone said their foxtrot footwork wasn’t great is just nonsense.

Treeper22 · 03/04/2024 09:38

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 03/04/2024 09:34

Wow. Women really are their own worst enemies aren’t they? This thread is shameful.

I agree that dismissing RRs experience is awful. I certainly didn't mean to do that. But I do think that discussion around all these diagnoses is important.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

MuggedByReality · 03/04/2024 09:39

Desperate, fame-obsessed, narcissistic minor celebrities in attention seeking shocker… 🙄

CaribouCarafe · 03/04/2024 09:40

SophiaElise · 02/04/2024 22:57

Most people have no idea what true PTSD looks like. It's like David Beckham and his cans in fridge "OCD" a few years ago. He was rightly criticised then but if he said that now he'd be invited to a mental health podcast.

David Beckham has been diagnosed with OCD though?

Mrsjayy · 03/04/2024 09:41

I am not dismissing that strictly is stressful and hard work and probably takes its toll, but again PTSD is a stretch

calligraphee · 03/04/2024 09:44

I hate to be brutal, but aren't a lot of these upsetting experiences that do damage simply normal life, rightly or wrongly?

None of us come away from life unscathed, without pain, without suffering, without memories we wish we didn't have, that might keep us awake at night.

@Treeper22 Understanding that trauma is actually quite widespread is a helpful step forwards, as it will enable people to take better care of themselves and therefore minimise the impact of negative experiences in life going forwards.

The fact something is common doesn't mean we should just dismiss it. We can prepare better for things that might be difficult, behave more healthily during it, and respond in a healthier way afterwards.

Stiff upper lip belongs in the past, it really doesn't work - it just results in deeper damage that lasts longer.

Sirzy · 03/04/2024 09:44

I would be interested to know if she has been diagnosed with PTSD or it’s a self diagnosis. Given it was something she chose to do and could have walked away from at any time I do struggle to sympathise too much although I am glad she has had help.

PTSD is horrible but it does seem to be a label that is bandied around easily at the moment.

PutASpellOnYou · 03/04/2024 09:54

They take it far too seriously, l have never watched this show, but like many similar, it's the same old trollope spoon fed to the blind. Who the hell cares who wins, it's all fixed anyhow.
The contestants are not forced to take part, they are idiots for doing so. This programme is just fake, shallow watered down horse shit like majority of rubbish on tv, l stopped watching tv years ago and don't miss it one bit.
Just one look at the cheesy, self, important, pompous dancers should be enough to turn anyone off.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 09:55

Treeper22 · 03/04/2024 09:33

I hate to be brutal, but aren't a lot of these upsetting experiences that do damage simply normal life, rightly or wrongly?

None of us come away from life unscathed, without pain, without suffering, without memories we wish we didn't have, that might keep us awake at night.

My issue recently is that these experiences and the reactions to them are becoming more and more medicalised. It's as if people need a label to validate their experience rather than saying "I found this incredibly distressing and needed a lot of support to help me through. I hope that safeguards are put in place to help people in the future" which is perfectly valid in itself.

For what it's worth, my NHS trauma therapist believes PTSD is now overused.

My theory is that with trauma, there is a slow creep. The experience of trauma is so different to what people should generally expect to experience in life that trauma victims often feel utterly alone, different, almost inhuman. However, this means that those who haven't experienced it simply don't understand (hence the many incarnations of PTSD from predominantly straight white male psychiatrists, sitting in a room drawing boxes round behaviours they couldn't empathise with and naming them a disorder).

But because untraumatised people don't understand they believe it is experiencing something distressing and feeling distressed (which I'm not minimising btw). The language of trauma is therefore slowly (and I might get flamed for this) appropriated by the mainstream. Before long, language and diagnosis may adjust to factor this in, may include people who have had distressing experiences such as Rachel Riley in the traditional PTSD diagnosis and come up with new diagnoses which will cover those originally diagnosed with PTSD then it will all probably go the same way and the cycle will begin again.

Let's not forget, all these labels are essentially made up and subject to sociological factors, the personal and political. Yet people quote the DSM as if it is some certainty.

Having said all that, it's not for me to dictate another person's experience. I suppose as someone who was severely sexually abused as a very young child and regularly thought I was going to be killed during it, the increasing inclusion of more and more experiences into the diagnosis of PTSD serves only to alienate people like me more and add to the feeling of being alone and different.

Sorry for the essay!

Good post.

Brefugee · 03/04/2024 09:57

tbh because it's her I'm tempted to shrug. But. Since she's not the only one that has talked about the treatment some people give/get on the show, it's about time it was looked into.

But RR is a nasty piece of work. So. Meh. But also sympathy because PTSD is complicated and awful.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 03/04/2024 09:57

PTSD is thrown around a lot. I’ve known of someone to be told by their therapist that they have PTSD. For them it didn’t sound right and they later stopped seeing the therapist but if that had happened to someone else they would be telling others they have PTSD and thinking of themselves that way.

TheIcecreamManCometh · 03/04/2024 09:57

Do they think they turn up, put a sparkly frock on and that's it?

Jerry Hall did, bless her Wink Grin
Allegedly, she'd say to Tony Beak it was time for Brew at the Ritz or Claridge's or what have you, and was a relaxed learner. Legend.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 03/04/2024 09:58

As someone who was told by the NHS that I didn't experience a severe enough form of child abuse(!) to be considered eligible for a diagnosis of CPTSD, I find it utterly baffling that celebrities seem to be able to get it for all sorts of things.

TheIcecreamManCometh · 03/04/2024 10:01

ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 03/04/2024 09:35

@godmum56 yes, I think the contestant you are thinking of is Sophie Ellis-Bextor (partnered with Brendan Cole). She commented on the show that she wanted to dance a rumba that she felt comfortable with, and that her husband and kids would be comfortable watching (I paraphrase).

Yep. Leading to Brendan's "We don't want to do a dirty, filthy rumba!" Grin
As someone said at the time on Digital Spy, you did Brenda but she wouldn't let you! Wink

dottiedodah · 03/04/2024 10:02

Dancing at a professional level is always taxing .Debbie McGee said she enjoyed working with Giovanni ,however she is a professional Dancer and knew what to expect .Maybe the show isnt for everyone

calligraphee · 03/04/2024 10:02

fitzwilliamdarcy · 03/04/2024 09:58

As someone who was told by the NHS that I didn't experience a severe enough form of child abuse(!) to be considered eligible for a diagnosis of CPTSD, I find it utterly baffling that celebrities seem to be able to get it for all sorts of things.

CPTSD and PTSD are different https://psychcentral.com/ptsd/cptsd-vs-ptsd-whats-the-difference

Sorry about your childhood, whatever the diagnosis or not, you know what it was like Flowers

PTSD vs C-PTSD: What’s the Difference?

While PTSD and Complex PTSD share some symptoms, the two conditions are distinct.

https://psychcentral.com/ptsd/cptsd-vs-ptsd-whats-the-difference

Sartre · 03/04/2024 10:02

PTSD has become the new depression. People used to say they felt ‘depressed’ over lighthearted shit but now they get PTSD instead. You can’t get PTSD from a celebrity dance show, unless you were viciously assaulted or raped whilst on the show. Strictly in itself isn’t a trauma, however boring it may be.

Westfacing · 03/04/2024 10:03

As a nurse, but not Mental Health trained, I was taught and understood that PTSD involved an incident where you thought you were about to die, or come to some great harm, e.g. the battle field, extreme violence, terrible injury, etc.

Now it seems to mean going through a bad time, a period of mistreatment - things that take time to develop.

Maybe some MH colleagues here could put me straight?

MiddleParking · 03/04/2024 10:04

Treeper22 · 03/04/2024 09:38

I agree that dismissing RRs experience is awful. I certainly didn't mean to do that. But I do think that discussion around all these diagnoses is important.

Her experience of what- cheating on her husband during a voluntary work project?

CaterhamReconstituted · 03/04/2024 10:07

Not sure about PTSD, maybe an STD!

DramaLlamaBangBang · 03/04/2024 10:09

Celebrities and people on Instagram moaning about their PTSD/ADHD whatever hugely use up resources meant for people who actually have these disorders and need treatment. They need to learn to be more resilient if going on a dance competition that has been around for 20 years and getting upwards of £200k for 12 weeks work is causing them 'trauma'.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 03/04/2024 10:09

calligraphee · 03/04/2024 10:02

CPTSD and PTSD are different https://psychcentral.com/ptsd/cptsd-vs-ptsd-whats-the-difference

Sorry about your childhood, whatever the diagnosis or not, you know what it was like Flowers

Thank you. I know I shouldn't react emotionally to it but it's hard not to feel invalidated. Not trusting your own memory is a consequence of being abused, so it does feel like it sets something off in my head.

Startingagainandagain · 03/04/2024 10:10

These 'celebrities' should know by now that the programme involves daily long hours of intensive training.

It is not an easy show where all the need to do is dress-up, smile for the camera and collect a fat pay check...

Some of the dancers are probably stricter than others and don't allow special treatment for their celeb partners. Probably rubs a few whinging divas the wrong way.

Dancing training, especially ballet, is usually tough on the body and the mind and the pro dancers will have been used to being very disciplined and resilient and want the best from their partner.

Frankly some of the claims made are an insult to people who have PTSD because of assault/rape/accidents and so on.

If these celebs struggle with pressure and hard work and already have mental health issues they should not put themselves up for this type of shows to start with.