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Why do lots of cities in the world celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

79 replies

Kendodd · 17/03/2024 21:42

I think it's great btw. I'm very much in the 'celebrate everything' camp. Tokyo can't have a significant Irish population though?

BBC News - St Patrick's Day celebrations take place across the world
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68590398

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Hereyoume · 18/03/2024 10:30

thebabessavedme · 17/03/2024 21:49

Who knows? According to every Irish person I have ever met, Ireland is the most fantastic place ever, why they leave in droves is a mystery to me.

Perhaps because it's a tiny little island and some people want to see more of the world.

AgentProvocateur · 18/03/2024 10:35

Horrace · 17/03/2024 22:23

But why is it a party?
I don't think the Welsh, English or Scots have parties on their respective patron saints day.
And non Irish around the world celebrate.
My 17yr old DD is celebrating in her bedroom with her best pal. We are only 8th Irish but she doesn't know that 🤣

Plenty of other countries have Burns Suppers in January, and most have a St Andrews society or similar.

Snugglemonkey · 18/03/2024 10:38

CuriousOwl · 18/03/2024 09:10

“History” has not been kind to Ireland? History? What a quaint nickname for England.

Indeed!

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Liv999 · 18/03/2024 10:45

Curunina · 17/03/2024 22:33

Well part of the reason for the huge diaspora was a famine that halved the population. Didn't you learn about that in school?

Obviously not if she's British, they like to keep those kinds of things hidden

Liv999 · 18/03/2024 10:48

CuriousOwl · 18/03/2024 09:10

“History” has not been kind to Ireland? History? What a quaint nickname for England.

Indeed 😉

Iamanunsafebuilding · 18/03/2024 10:49

It started with Irish immigrants in the US and Australia celebrating the day and those celebrations got exported back to Ireland. That's why there are often parades which is quite an American thing. It's now spread around the world as there are Irish people living everywhere!

Elephantswillnever · 18/03/2024 10:52

Horrace · 17/03/2024 22:23

But why is it a party?
I don't think the Welsh, English or Scots have parties on their respective patron saints day.
And non Irish around the world celebrate.
My 17yr old DD is celebrating in her bedroom with her best pal. We are only 8th Irish but she doesn't know that 🤣

I’m Scottish and though we don’t celebrate St Andrews day Burns night is a thing, a stick to your ribs dinner, whiskey, poetry and ceilidh dancing. It’s always a nice end to a fairly bleak January. I wonder if other countries have embraced other local celebrations rather than patron saints.

Psychoticbreak · 18/03/2024 10:57

Because we are feckin amazing and the world knows it.

My head incidentally is having the worst patriotic hangover in history.

HighLlamas · 18/03/2024 11:07

Curunina · 17/03/2024 22:33

Well part of the reason for the huge diaspora was a famine that halved the population. Didn't you learn about that in school?

Yes, exactly.

The Irish diaspora has got around over the centuries. Irish-Americans who identify with their Irish ancestry also get around, and bring their version of St Patrick’s celebrations with them. Irishness has been commodified in the shape of Irish pubs you can buy the accoutrements for online, and the horrifying stomp fest that is Riverdance.

I’m one of the ones who left in the late 80s, in deep recession, when unemployment was at nearly 18% (think of that. Nearly one fifth of the working population didn’t have a job — we knew we had to leave from childhood), but returned, having lived in a lot of other places, including the US, the UK, France, the ME. All of my siblings but one have also spent years living in other places — at one point I was in the US, one sister was in China, one was in Tokyo, and one was in Greece. I have cousins in Guatemala, Edinburgh, Mumbai and Milan. The only one of my siblings who never left was the youngest, who was born in more prosperous times.

And of course Ireland is now attracting immigration. My son’s class has children from Rwanda, Poland, Nigeria, Canada, England, Spain, and Germany, and some new Ukrainians.

One of the big cultural differences I noticed while living in England was totally different attitudes to emigration, or spending long periods living abroad. Ireland has a long tradition of emigration, for obvious reasons, but it’s also seen as deeply normal to go and live overseas for long periods. I see on Mn (which I think reflects the attitudes I saw in RL) a sense of emigration as a much more unusual choice, often viewed as expressing dissatisfaction with the UK, or for better weather, or as a ‘selfish’ rejection of family.

Tourmalines · 18/03/2024 11:15

Because the clubs and bars and pubs make money!

MollyRover · 18/03/2024 11:46

Curunina · 17/03/2024 22:33

Well part of the reason for the huge diaspora was a famine that halved the population. Didn't you learn about that in school?

Only it wasn't really a famine because only the potato crop failed. It's a mystery what happened to all the rest of the crops 🤔

Horrace · 18/03/2024 11:50

Burns Night isn't celebrated around the world like St Patrick's day though. It just isn't.
I'm not complaining.
I'd just like to understand the phenomenon of the Irish celebration being so popular with non Irish

stayathomer · 18/03/2024 11:51

Only it wasn't really a famine because only the potato crop failed. It's a mystery what happened to all the rest of the crops 🤔
just checking this is a joke/ sarcasm?! (Honestly checking!!)

MollyRover · 18/03/2024 11:55

stayathomer · 18/03/2024 11:51

Only it wasn't really a famine because only the potato crop failed. It's a mystery what happened to all the rest of the crops 🤔
just checking this is a joke/ sarcasm?! (Honestly checking!!)

Depends on your definition of a joke I suppose. I don't find ethnic cleansing all that funny!

stayathomer · 18/03/2024 11:57

MollyRover
Sorry, was just afraid you didn’t know what really happened!!

PrinceLouisWeirdFinger · 18/03/2024 11:59

thebabessavedme · 17/03/2024 21:49

Who knows? According to every Irish person I have ever met, Ireland is the most fantastic place ever, why they leave in droves is a mystery to me.

Because of the potato famine. Thats why so many people left Ireland and settled overseas. And because we are great craic and why wouldn’t you want to have a party when life is short and times can be hard? Find the joy where you can. I mean, compared to the other saints in the British Isles:

Wales: Leeks and daffodils
Scotland: Haggis
England: Stella and a punch up

if you're looking for a good time that doesn’t involve gardening, chopped up lungs, or a bit of racism, then St. Patrick is the obvious choice.

thisisasurvivor · 18/03/2024 12:00

thebabessavedme · 17/03/2024 21:49

Who knows? According to every Irish person I have ever met, Ireland is the most fantastic place ever, why they leave in droves is a mystery to me.

Yes def the greatest place in the world 😘😘👌🏻

Abhannmor · 18/03/2024 12:14

Elephantswillnever · 18/03/2024 10:52

I’m Scottish and though we don’t celebrate St Andrews day Burns night is a thing, a stick to your ribs dinner, whiskey, poetry and ceilidh dancing. It’s always a nice end to a fairly bleak January. I wonder if other countries have embraced other local celebrations rather than patron saints.

That makes sense - Presbyterians don't really do saints ?

Irish diaspora ppl tended to stick together . The Murphia. A sort of defence mechanism against the old prejudice. This has mostly gone but the distinct Irish communities survive.

Parades here in Ireland were not a big thing back in the 60s 70s. Day off school . Mass. Wear a sprig of shamrock. I once worked in a Welsh pub off Edgeware Rd. And there used to be a couple round Ealing? But it's true Welsh or Scottish pubs are not a thing in England or wider afield.

Must be an opportunity here for some whizz kid.

EarthlyNightshade · 18/03/2024 12:19

thebabessavedme · 17/03/2024 21:49

Who knows? According to every Irish person I have ever met, Ireland is the most fantastic place ever, why they leave in droves is a mystery to me.

You should read up a bit on Irish history, that might help to explain the mystery.

HighLlamas · 18/03/2024 12:21

MollyRover · 18/03/2024 11:46

Only it wasn't really a famine because only the potato crop failed. It's a mystery what happened to all the rest of the crops 🤔

I’m going to charitably assume you are making a satirical point, and not launch into a lecture about the average size of a holding in 1840s Ireland, absentee landlordism and single-crop dependence.

But on the other hand, some people are this stupid.

HighLlamas · 18/03/2024 12:21

MollyRover · 18/03/2024 11:55

Depends on your definition of a joke I suppose. I don't find ethnic cleansing all that funny!

And this.

11NigelTufnel · 18/03/2024 12:41

I learnt about the famine from family and visits to Ireland as a child. Don't remember anything being taught in school in England about it at all. And Cromwell was just a bloke in a tin hat that didn't like royalty. Not a word of his penchant for genocide. Hopefully things have improved in education since, but I somehow doubt it.

MollyRover · 18/03/2024 12:46

@HighLlamas I think you've "charitably assumed" correctly but who knows? Have you got a case of the Mondays? It's a bank holiday somewhere in the world...

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/03/2024 12:48

Can't believe anyone would call Riverdance a horrific stompfest!

The entire show is fantastic. It may not be to your taste but a stomp fest it is not.

Deadringer · 18/03/2024 12:56

I think it's because the Irish travelled to every corner of the world, not as invaders or oppressors as some of the more powerful nations have done, so the attitude towards them is benign at worst. And yes the fact that the U.S. have embraced St Patrick's day and transformed it into something huge.