Both parents of Ethan Crumbley found guilty of involuntary manslaughter

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Wow. Anybody else followed both trials?
Is this the first time parents have been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter following their teenager's actions?
I dont think either parent had a strong connection with their son but as a parent, currently, I might be in a similar boat. It's a scary thought. The school didn't check his backpack and that would have been easier than a parent damaging any existing fragile connection by asking " do you have a gun in your bag?"
Schools can union up quicker than parents. Are they fallguys? In a country that allows its citizens to buy guns and keep them at home?? Is America not guilty of involuntary manslaughter?
Not America bashing at all, but I am anti gun. But also shocked by this verdict x 2
Allowing citizens to buy guns is the real issue. Imo.
Wdyt?

Absolutely this. Finally some accountability.

There was a witness saying the mum text him to say she was free to meet up. Anyway work doesn't come before your child's clearly very poor MH.

I’ve watched both trials.

They were completely negligent. It’s not like they were just a little bit shit and they bought him a gun because they liked taking him to the shooting range.

They had ignored him for most of his life. They cut short the meeting at the school on the day of the shooting and as soon as they received the text from,the school saying there was an active shooter they both knew it was their son.

Then they ran away.

No, sorry. Even if they did have to go to work (which one wasn't) the school asking you to take your child home has to take priority. They're not being expected to foresee it, but did absolutely nothing to prevent it.

Bollocks did they have to go back to work. James Crumbly was a food delivery driver. He could work when he wanted. And they weren’t on the breadline before that comes in to play. They had enough money for horses and guns for a start.

i don’t think they needed to ‘foresee’ anything. Ethan told them he was hallucinating. He was googling bullets IN SCHOOL and drawing guns that day.

If your child did that you would just say ‘actually, I don’t have time for this meeting’ and go and do some Ubers would you?

Not sure why her affair was dragged into it but yeah seems fair apart from that

They bought him a gun, knowing he had serious mental health issues! There is zero excuse.

They should have been able to see that their son was in a mental health crisis.

they should have been able to see buying him a gun wasn’t a good idea.

they should have been able to see when the school said they had concerns they should have taken them seriously.

You've clearly not read a single article about this case.

The parents are guilty. Guilty of a lot more than what they've been charged with. They may not have pulled the trigger but they loaded the gun and c*$ked it back ready to go.

They did absolutely nothing to help their son. He cried out for help and they chose to ignore him. They are pure evil.

these trials were publicly streamed, and the evidence is pretty clear that they not only could have foreseen this but also that it felt quite inevitable given that their behaviour went beyond negligence and into active enablement of a mentally ill child making overt threats to kill. Instead of getting him the help he asked for, they bought him a gun, didn’t notify the school when they knew he’d taken it in with him, and refused to collect him from school when asked.

Jennifer Crumbly's defence brought the affair in to it.

The judge even tried to make the defence change their minds. She kept saying 'do you really want to open that door?' etc.

The defence wanted the boyfriend's testimony in because they wanted him to say that he had been intimidated by the police and worried that he would lose his job.

I've been following the case @LadyMinerva I didn't even say the verdicts were wrong imo.

I disagree that they could have "foreseen" what happened. That's the part that is unrealistic.

Ok, you think it’s unrealistic they could have foreseen it but as soon as they heard there was a shooter at the school, how did they react?
He drove home to check if the gun was where he’d left it.
She texted her son saying “Don’t do it Ethan”.
They both IMMEDIATELY suspected that their son was the shooter. For most of us that thought wouldn’t even cross our minds.
So obviously with everything they knew, they could have foreseen what could happen.

i think they bought him a gun in the expectation that he would kill himself, thus solving their ‘problem’.

When people say something could be foreseen, they don’t mean literally having some kind of psychic vision of it. They just mean that there was a strong likelihood of an event happening given all relevant factors. The factors in this case were so obvious that the outcome was so unsurprising as to have been completely foreseeable and preventable.

Blind Freddy could see what was going to happen. He begged for help and they ignored him. Instead they bought him a gun. In a country where there are active shooters in schools every other day. You cannot tell me they didn't know what he was going to do.