Is it possible for me and dh to have an nt child and can we use this as evidence?

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Dh and I are both ND, but different conditions. We have 5 dc, four have nd conditions (a mixture of mine and dh's) and 1 has been rejected at triage because he wasn't engaging with the referral and there wasn't enough evidence. I am working with the school to try and get more evidence but I was thinking that wouldn't it be genetically impossible for me and dh to have a child who didn't have an ND condition and could I count that as evidence that he must have an ND condition?

Without knowing what the NDs are it's not possible to say either way.

For ASD for example while there is plenty of evidence that it runs in families suggesting a genetic component, it's not definite. Plenty of families where both parents have ASD but their kids don't.

Other syndromes however which have an associated ND (Williams for example I think) can be genetically tested for.

Of course it's possible.
If you are talking about ASD/ADHD/PDA type conditions they haven't isolated the genetics except in specific genetic conditions (for example girls with Retts Syndrome have a specific mutation of MECP2 gene) Certain known syndromes have specific gene mutations/deletions/ transolcations but the vast majority of neurodivergences do not have a specific known cause.

My DH has ADHD, I am (never formally diagnosed but almost certainly) am on the Autistic Spectrum. DC1 has autism, ADHD and Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. DC2 is NT. DC3 has Ehlers Danlos. DC4 has Autism.
One of us has a gene mutation and one child has inherited it but it is not the cause of ther autism and learning disabilities.

You simply can't infer that because you both have neurodivergences that your children must have too, genetics, even when they are identifiable, are far more complex than that... and no you won't be able to argue that as evidence!

We're talking Aspergers syndrome, dyspraxia, adhd and ehlers danlos syndrome. Bother, I thought I'd had a really good idea of proof. School think it's really obvious, and it was the senco who first thought dc3 had autism, we just thought he had adhd. I've just had a mid year school report for him that says in every subject, good or excellent for achievement, effort, attitude and homework but that he is easily distracted and needs to concentrate more. Part of the problem is that our home is completely autism friendly because of the other dc and dh so a lot of the support, we just do automatically and ds doesn't see the point in being diagnosed.

It's funny how EDS (well not funny but you know what I mean!) and ASD etc often coincide.. I do wonder if one day the precise genetics will be discovered. Dh and DD1 are also dyslexic and DS2 is severely dyspraxic ,but, despite autism and LDs (he was special schooled ) is NOT dyslexic.
We have one (now adult) neurotypical child out of four!
Our home was also asd friendly :)

I hope you can get the support your son needs, the system is so broken now.

If it offers any hope... DD1.. EDS, ADHD ,dyslexia, ASD, severe anxiety and ARFID.... is now a doctor! Still medicated for ADHD and anxiety but none of it has stopped her reaching her potential! (She does leave a trail of chaos everywhere but hey ho...)

Refusal to engage with assessment is surely evidence in and of itself?

If it's grounds to terminate the assessment process, you have to wonder how many children with conditions characterised by refusal to engage are tossed off the books?

I'm a bit confused by the posters referring to EDS as neuro diversity. I know it's more prevalent in those with neuro diversity but, as far as I'm aware, it's not a neuro diversity itself?

My dd has EDS and she is NT. My 2 ds' are hypermobile but don't have EDS as far as we know. One of the ds is ND, the other is NT.

Not much help to your situation though as dh is NT

It wouldn't work unfortunately because, well, genetics is a lot more complicated than what they teach in year 9 biology with the Mendel square. Even with a straightforward example like two blue eyed parents, it's still possible (just rare) for them to have a brown eyed baby.

But also, the genes for autism etc are so complicated that we don't even know what most of them are. It's not a simple case of one gene which is dominant or not. I think cystic fibrosis can be inherited or one can be a carrier for it this way. But with autism it's more likely there are dozens, maybe even hundreds of genes involved and we don't really know why some people end up expressing autistic traits and some don't based on what genetics they have.

If it were as simple as saying yours and DH's genes combined will always produce a child with autistic genes, then we'd be at the point that you could just test the child's genetics to see if they are autistic or not so you wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

Sorry. I wish you luck in getting the support that your DS needs.

I don't think anyone is saying that EDS is a ND :) (Or I'm not anyway) However it is not uncommon to find people with both, and it would be interesting to know if eventually a link is found.
One of my DD has EDS and ASD, the other DD has EDS and is entirely neurotypical. DS2 has Autism and no EDS . Funny old thing genetics!

Apologies. I misunderstood. When you were listing the conditions, as the discussion was about ND, I assumed you were listing neuro diversities rather than just conditions so I was wondering was I missing something. I do know EDS is more prevalent in those with NDs.