Keyless cars

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I have my eye on a lovely car (2018) for my daughter
It's a premium edition with heated seats sunroof etc
I noticed at the bottom it also had a smart key " keyless entry stop start system"
All I've read is about these being always stolen
Do most cars have these systems now
Are they really insecure
I'm feeling that I would rather not buy it because of this

I have keyless entry, you need to get a faraday pouch for every key (and test them to make sure they work)

Just get a crooklock?

It depends on the car and if it's desirable to thieves. I have a ten year old diesel jellymouldblob... It has keyless entry and start but I could leave it unlocked (and sometimes accidentally do) and it'd still be there in the morning.

Faraday pouch

I think most cars have keyless entry these days and talk of them being stolen a lot is overblown. I’ve driven keyless cars for the last 17 years without taking any major precautions and never had a problem with theft. The more modern models are pretty sophisticated at detecting if the key is present or not and they won’t get far if it’s an opportunistic burglar. Don’t keep the key beside the door if it’s parked outside and you should be more than fine.

It puts me off as well. I read an article today that they are easily stolen. And they don’t need access to your key. They use a device that sends a signal to the car and gain entry that way. Think it’s certain cars. Kia, Lexus, can’t remember the other ones.
What’s wrong with having an ignition key anyway car manufacturers! I know I’d lose the keyless fob instantly in the car if I had a keyless car.

Keyless ignition is the most pointless backwards step in car development

I love my keyless entry. No more faffing around looking for keys.

You can disable it in most cars.

Faraday pouch, seven quid on Amazon

Can you? And use an ignition?

And doesn't the convenience disappear if have to faff around with a steering lock.

My last three cars have been keyless entry - it’s been a thing for a good number of years, maybe 10 or more. We stick our keys in a faraday pouch every night.

I bought a new car at last year. Could not believe that the top of the range version is not keyless entry !! It’s like taking a huge step backwards having to find the key every time just to open the door . My 12 year old Focus was keyless, my 2023 Peugeot is not! It’s the biggest negative about the car,

This explains it better.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/

Depends on the car. Fiesta, range, smart, Mercedes always seem to get stolen

I would like a choice. It’s put me off buying a new car.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/24/revealed-car-industry-was-warned-keyless-vehicles-vulnerable-to-theft-a-decade-ago

A what now?

I live a relatively low-crime area but last year there was a period of several keyless cars being stolen locally. Note that they were what i’d consider ‘nice’ cars like BMWs. All thefts were overnight.

My mum has a keyless Toyota so after this I told her to get a Faraday box, but it completely put my DH and I off buying a keyless car.

It may depend on whether your daughter is likely to leave her keys near the front foor or lying around rather than in the farady box.

I have been driving keyless cars since 2011
my current car is keyless and you can’t start it without a key present

Theyiced don’t need the key. They use tech to by pass. The articles explain it better

It's a hyundai i10 2018 model
I don't think there's even an ignition hole to be able to use if it's disabled (even if it can be)
I just think it's stupid

I mean seriously how hard is it to put a key in an ignition or press a button on a remote

One of ours is keyless the other with the key. I keep leaving the keys in the one with the key!

If thieves wanted the key one they could probably get into it and away quicker than the keyless one actually.

The keyless one can be opened with a key (its hidden in the keyfob).

The article says keyless cars can be bribed info in 30 seconds using a device.

Ifs not the same as the device that amplifies the key. Thieves don’t require the key. The device works by communicating with car itself.

It does seem a pointless bit of tech for the sake of it. And less secure.

Hyundai was mentioned as one of the cars targeted as easy to get into.

If a thief wants your car they will try no matter if it's keyless or not.

My friend had a disc lock on hers and they just took the steering wheel clean off and still took it after gaining entry through the boot.

If it's a BMW, Mercedes or Range Rover then a Faraday pouch and an old fashioned steering wheel lock would be essential. I'd also look at putting in a tracker system if you're going top of the range.

For my more basic Renault I just use a Faraday pouch. I have a steering wheel lock too but don't always use it.

Even with a normal key, if you have a noticebly desirable car, extra security measures are going to be a good idea.